maece67 | October 31, 2009 | 5 likes, 0 dislikes
Manali to Leh Road in September 2009, for more Details visit: http://www.foto-reise.ch
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I AM SPEECHLESS.. AND AM proud to a be a part of THE most beautiful place on land. PROUD BE A LADAKHI.
thank you guys. it is amazing.
divastanzin 3 months ago
breath-taking...so beautiful....as heaven.............its my dream place.....i hope i should get the chance to visit once in my lifetime....
harsne2104 5 months ago
incredible.............................
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Monday, January 31, 2011
Road to Ladakh, Part 2
Road to Ladakh, Part 1
maece67 | October 31, 2009 | 5 likes, 0 dislikes
Manali to Leh Road in September 2009, for more Details visit: http://www.foto-reise.ch
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I AM SPEECHLESS.. AND AM proud to a be a part of THE most beautiful place on land. PROUD BE A LADAKHI.
thank you guys. it is amazing.
divastanzin 3 months ago
breath-taking...so beautiful....as heaven.............its my dream place.....i hope i should get the chance to visit once in my lifetime....
harsne2104 5 months ago
incredible.............................
Ladakh Magnetic Hill
fmsite | August 10, 2007 | 14 likes, 10 dislikes
Magnetic Hill on Leh-Nimu Road where the Phenomenon that defies the Law of Gravity.
In the Drivers' seat, Ankit Goel left the Gear on neutral to verify it and as shot by Hari M P, the car reached the speed of 20 kmph within seconds.
Others in the scene are Bikiran Bayan and Farhan Shaikh.
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...don't idle cars go forward automatically anyways? If they really wanted to show that the mountain is that magnetic they would've just tossed a magnet into the air and it would've gone flying towards the mountain....
xzc426 1 year ago
@xzc426 any kind of magnetic force (including gravitational) depends on the mass of 2 bodies involved and is so meagre that if the earth's mass would not have been what it is, we wud hav been flying all around.
so, when we talk about a magnetic hill and a magnet, the force would be so negligible that the magnet won't move at all. brush up your lessons on physics
fmsite 1 year ago 2
What law of gravity is being defied? Don't idling cars drift downhill everywhere?
strathmeyer 1 year ago 4
@strathmeyer the gravity pulls everything down which means that any idle car on a downhill road will start moving down on its own.
Here, on this spot (30 km from Leh), the road goes upwards and if the car is left idle, it still moves ahead. It is said to be caused due to the magnetic force of the Grand Hill on the front.
fmsite 1 year ago
the road goes downwards, quite clearly actually. there are dozens of places like this in the world, the surroundings act as an optical illusion making it look like the road slopes upwards.
thesurgeon 1 year ago 5
@thesurgeon that observation is interesting and the road moving uphill might be just an optical illusion. I suppose, I would like to measure that scientifically. One can measure the altitude at two ends of road or measure the magnetic pull at that spot otherwise there is no confirmation whether the road is uphill or downhill
fmsite 1 year ago
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is it me, or does it look downhill?
The Magnetic Hill-Ladakh
coolgurman | September 27, 2008 | 7 likes, 2 dislikes
The Magnetic Hill-it pulls the cars up a slant road,u just have to park the car on a mark and stop the engine,car begins rolling upwards on the slope ,being pulled by the magnetic hill ahead, in this clip we put this to test are amazed to see it happen in front of our eyes
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Its not any magnetic properties or such. Its an Optical illusions which makes us think that the road is Uphill but actually its downhill thereby enabling the vehicles to move itself. There are many other magnetic hills(or gravity hills) all over the world.
but anyways, good to see ppl. having fun ;-)
Enjoy !
harmanpreetkang 1 year ago 7
wiki + Gravity_hill
sushantsehgal27 1 year ago
Pangong Tso Lake(www.xpdo.in)
rishirich27 | October 10, 2007 | 0 likes, 0 dislikes
Lake is situted at ~14,000 FT
just on Indo-China border
2/3 of lake is in China and rest with INDIA.
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Magnificient Pangong Tso Lake ride
srikanthhs12 | September 30, 2007 | 2 likes, 0 dislikes
Watch one of the spectacular Pangong Tso Lake in India - China Border. http://srikanthhs.com/LehLadakh3.aspx
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wow so mesmerizing,how peaceful.
wish to visit ladakh soon.
wt a blue
dayryan100 7 months ago
very nice
revosys 8 months ago
ahh...so beautiful !! Water is soooooo blue..mesmerizing !!
gautam8887 1 year ago
What a peaceful, beautiful place~~
SouthernBelleUSA 1 year ago
Absolutely breathtaking~~
SouthernBelleUSA 1 year ago
what a music
darshan9raj 1 year ago
Unbelievable,,, wow !! I'm hoping to visit this part of Ladakh soon. Thanks for posting...
nitinh01 1 year ago
love leh and ladakh my state..
pangong lake in Ladakh
@rahulgupta383 actually i was accompnied by my relatives who belongs to INDIAN ARMY...thats why i had an oppurtunity for a boat ride..otherwiise its not allowed for open public........I WAS LUCKY
rktc1 1 month ago
THANKS ALL FOR LIKING MY VIDEO...song name is ( Evanescence - Bring Me to Life)......enjoy...
rktc1 1 month ago
hi - this is beautiful - when did you go? what month?
aveeshkumar 1 year ago
I went there in month of june in year 2007....tthe place is awesome......like heaven on earth.....do visit there......
rktc1 11 months ago
this is featured in the last scenes of the bollywood film ' 3 idiots'- its surreal ( the lake that is..films pretty good too!)
sankes 1 year ago
MotorBike trip to leh ladakh Tour Road to Heaven (Awesome Video of Mount...
revosys | July 06, 2009 | 71 likes, 1 dislikes
Road to Heaven - Orignal Movie - Leh trip to leh Ladakh on royal Enfield bike,Royal Enfield Trip to leh laddak, Tsmore on bike, tsmore lake on royal enfield, Khardungala , baralachala, royal Enfield on tough terrains, trip to Ladakh
Thanx for 10,000+ Hits
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Delhi - jhalandhar - patnitop - Srinagar - Kargil zojilaa Drass leh with all meganetic road and leh road - khardunga - pengong lake - tsmore - sarchu - baralacha la gtto loop jispa camp camp manali - chadigarh - delhi.
Bike trip to north india, biking nirvana, leh laddak video, tsmori lake on bike, royal enfield, passion for biking
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Ladakhi flight and approach Leh
fhegner | September 16, 2006 | 26 likes, 1 dislikes
a flight over the Zanzkar Range and approach in the Indus valley
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I tried going overland by bike (Bullit500) on the dirt track called NH 21 many times, and only 4 was succesful either due to weather (often snowstorm in midsummer!) road condition and/or mecanical probs. Acclimatizing is a must and mandatory if you come direct from sealevel and isn't on suicide misson... still stupidity kills plp every year (it is, after all named the GREATER Himalayas) lethal stuff like pulmonal or cerebral oedema and coma [not to mention traffic, climbing and other accidents!
fhegner 2 years ago
you'll definitely be better off flying with jet airways and the flight is a much better option than the drive up through the mountains
amyishott 3 years ago
hi amy
yes your so right.... but Jet left one hour earlier so IA was the only option (only seat was on business class 196$ (!) economy was full) ... i have flown JA from Leh down Delhi the year before and its for sure a better deal (newer fleet and better food) than IA. namaskar from copenhagen
fhegner 3 years ago
3 ladakhi passes (4892, 5065 and 5360 m) and Leh (India)
valpard | October 06, 2006 | 9 likes, 1 dislikes
Road to Leh, Baralacha la (4892), Lachalang la (5065) Taglang la (5360 m) and Leh.
Ladakh (land of high passes) is a region in the state of Jammu and Kashmir in Northern India sandwiched between the Karakoram mountain range to the north and the Himalayas to the south (wikipedia)
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Himalayas: Fotula Pass, Ladakh
what's moon land ? do let me know . thanks.
nice movie . i enjoyed watching it.
i love ladahkh.
NissanIND 3 years ago
Moonland is apparently an ancient meteorite impact crater, located on that highway in the stretch between Fotula Pass and Lamayuru...
waltwide 3 years ago
Amazing India, Leh by Stephen Knapp
radhika801 | May 16, 2008 | 26 likes, 1 dislikes
A quick visit to Leh, India in Ladakh, or Little Tibet, to see the town, the Leh palace and the Zankar mountains, and the Tikse Buddhist gompa Maitreya Buddha. Many more of Stephen's photos of India can be seen at: www.stephen-knapp.com, or at http://picasaweb.google.com/sknapp108
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Leh and the Ladakh Festival
contemporarynomad | October 22, 2008 | 8 likes, 0 dislikes
Our latest video takes in the sites and sounds of the Ladakh festival in Leh, a showcase for Ladakhi culture. Traditional dancing, polo, masked Chaam dances at Spituk monastery, and more. The festival takes place in September every year, and, although it is clearly geared towards tourists, it is a great way to catch a glimpse of the various ethnic groups of Ladakh and their spectacular clothing. And it's not just the dancers, many older Ladakhis, dressed in their finest, come to watch the festivities - great for people-watching.
The video begins with an overview of Leh and its surroundings. The first dancers in the video wearing the distinctive turquoise-studded peraks are Ladakhi and Zanskari, whom might be considered the "true Ladakhis". The people wearing the flower headdresses are Dha Hanu, also known as the Dards, from the border regions near Pakistan. (We often see them in the markets selling dried fruit, they're absolutely fascinating.) The women wearing red veils represent Muslim Ladakhis, most of whom live in the west near the border with Kashmir.
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Ladkah Music Festival - Jammu & Kashmir
kathitabcn | May 03, 2008 | 8 likes, 0 dislikes
This video was filmed in India in 2006
The colourful harvest celebration - the Ladakh Festival is a beautiful festival. It last for a whole week. There are buddhist mask dances, polo games and a lot of other things going on. Don't miss it when you are in India during this time. Leh is very Tibetan (in my opinion even more Tibetan than Tibet itself)
Travel Tip:
To get to Ladakh overland you will have to go via the Manali Highway unless you are coming from Shrinagar. It is a murderish highway and it was the only time I suffered from accute mountain sickness. No fun, I tell you. Take it easy the first days in Leh until you get used to the altitude.
(Jammu & Kashmir, 2006)
for Akim, Mathiew, Greque
love,
Kathi
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Sunday, January 30, 2011
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY by Comrade Shafi Burfat, CHAIRMAN, JEAY SINDH MUTTAHIDA MAHAZ, SINDH.
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY
by Comrade Shafi Burfat, CHAIRMAN, JEAY SINDH MUTTAHIDA MAHAZ, SINDH.
by Comrade Shafi Burfat, CHAIRMAN, JEAY SINDH MUTTAHIDA MAHAZ, SINDH.
on Saturday, January 22, 2011 at 5:19pm
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AN OPEN LETTER TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY
From
SHAFI MUHAMMAD BURFAT,
CHAIRMAN
JEAY SINDH MUTTAHIDA MAHAZ, SINDH.
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Respected international community,
I have been writing to you when ever I have felt the ultimate necessity to express my good will to the world peace and to communicate with you for your positive response regarding our concerns at the multiplying terrorist activities of the ISI and its Islamist networks wreaking havoc against humanity in Sindh.
The theocratic and downright fascist state of Pakistan, based upon the maniac ideological foundation of the stagnant mullacratic two-nation theory, had begun to work in accomplice with ISI against the united states of America and NATO at the very time when the later had been busy making their mind to war against the Taliban regime of mullah Omar and its lasting ally, the al-Qaeda. The western spirit had been at great unease as the draconian mullah had refused to comply with United States of America to hand over the spiritual and ideological mastermind of the heinous events of 9/11, Osama bin laden to Washington.
As a matter of fact, the Taliban were planned, designed, nurtured, matured, trained, and brought into existence and sponsored as a regime of terror and global fascism by ISI.
ISI is that ghost institution of Pakistani state of terror and fascism which is downright drenched with the mullahcracy and fascist two nation theory and there is no denying the fact that ISI, the mother of terror, has borne from its demoniac womb the Godzilla of al-Qaeda which has been wreaking havoc everywhere in the world and poses an immanent nuclear threat to the entire world. Today, the western world is in the vice grip of a constant fear and horror and has been breathing under the heinous possibilities of a devastating nuclear attack.
Based upon the notorious, unnatural and utopian ideology of Muslims-as-a-separate-nation, the ISI has been that unnatural, malignant and covert channel of the fascist state through which it has put fetters on the nations ( Sindh and Baluchistan ) falling into the vicious circle of its barbarically artificial boundaries. History bears us witness that this fascist state crossed all the limits of crime and torture in Bengal and carried on in Bengal a brutal mass bloodshed and mass rape.
In the recent history, it has subjected Sindh and Baluchistan to heart rending genocide, economic exploitation, and social injustice which has resulted in the shooting rise in poverty and has disturbed the normal social psychology.
However, as for as the situation in the region is concerned, it has been trying to frustrate the neighboring countries such as, India and Afghanistan, and, as for as peace and normalization in the neighboring countries is concerned, it has been inflicting upon them continuous complexities of pangs.
It has been terrorizing the democratic states of the world through its fascist instrument of suicide attacks and has been training and sponsoring all sorts of fundamentalist organizations which have been wreaking havoc everywhere under different names but with the same evil agenda of global terror. It has been such an internationally immoral state which has been selling nuclear technology to the rogue states like hot cakes. It has been a state quite irresponsible to the international community since its very birth. It has been a state which has proven itself a matchless evil and malice to its neighboring countries. It has been a state which has dumped the world into an abysmal and unending nuclear race and strife which has brought the world at the verge of a possible world war iii. It has been a state which has never been normal to its neighboring countries. Rather, it has been adding fuel to the fire everywhere in the world. It has been a state which has felt no shame on draconian economic exploitation, Yazidian use of blind force, torture, terror, and injustice to Sindh and Baluchistan falling into the vicious circle of its notorious boundaries. It has thrown Sindh and Baluchistan in the jaws of grinding poverty and helplessness.
The sole reason behind all such whitish of the white crimes against humanity has been its long cherished dream of establishing a pan Islamic imperialism in the world in accomplice with the Arab monarchies and so-called socialist states in the world.
One wonders how such a dualist and terrorist state can be a natural ally of the world in its war against terrorism! It can never, indeed. That is why, on the one hand, the fascist ISI and the bloody army of Punjab have been blackmailing the western world through the instrument of terror alarm, only meant at extorting huge chunks of monetary aid and assistance from the bleeding world, on the other hand, the state pursues its most cherished agenda of training and instigating the extremist Taliban and other extremist organizations to wreak havoc against united states of America, NATO, the democratic states of Europe, India, and Afghanistan.
That is why, the ISI in accomplice with its retired officers, and Pakistani army, sponsored terrorist attacks in Mumbai, where the Islamist extremists had begun a horrible blood bath. The vampire state machinery has designed such a bloody force of evil which has been blood thirsty and just can not live without bloodshed. They have been taught that in the paradise they would be granted in reward the bounty of hoors (70 young beautiful girls ), the gilmaan (young boys), grapes, cold drinks, honey, milk and many other things of lust and luxury in return of such heinous crimes against humanity!
ISI, the trainer and sustainer of such forces of evil, has been exercising war crimes in the rest of the world through such demoniac extremists. The theocratic state today has emerged as the most criminal state of the world ensnaring the entire world into a complex web of bloodletting and horrible terror. And all that has been its most cherished agenda to emerge as a horrible polar in the world at the cost of chaos and mayhem in the world. The grimace of the world does not appeal it. However, the wounds of the world are now growing into multiple gangrenes yet it does not stop its maniac pursuit of pan Islamism and seems to leave no extreme uncrossed for its draconian interests.
It is strange that the worst enemies of yesterday have entered into a staunch alliance to stand against the western world. The mullah, the socialist, and the communist speak the same language against the western world- the west, especially united states of America, that strive for a healthier democratic order in the world, comprising freedom of the chained nations, restoration and preservation of human rights, mutual understanding among human beings, and fraternity in this uneasy world-an idea which happens to be the last hope to the humiliated, oppressed, and the chained third world nations.
Recently, ISI has sponsored terrorist attacks on NATO’s supply convoy in Shikarpur, Sindh, with the help of its most beloved and spiritual progeny, the Taliban.
It is now crystal clear that ISI now treads upon the path of an open clash with NATO, and American interests. It should be noted that it has made selection of Sindh for such attacks for apparently two basic reasons.
The first reason for that is that the nationalist organizations of Sindh have begun to resist against the fascist state for the freedom of Sindh and have been working in a highly organized way against the state. However, the organizations have also excelled in submitting the Sindh case with the international community. This has attracted a staunch support to the struggling organizations here in Sindh. The Sindhi nation has given a considerably better response, support, and sympathies to the resistive nationalist organizations who have been working with Great Spirit and seriousness. The organizations have been preaching Sufism, secularism, humanism, and anti-extremist social thought in Sindh. The Sindh nation has been the finest and an exemplary nation who have an unshakable belief in secularism, and universal brotherhood. They have never given their ears to the hosts of extremist Tableeg Jamat supported and sent by Punjab to preach religious extremism here in Sindh. For 63 years they have been coming here in Sindh to distort the sufist social fiber of Sindh but have never been successful.
Apparently, the ISI has embarked upon countering the resistant nationalist organizations in Sindh and, for such reasons; it has sponsored Taliban extremism here in Sindh, to counter the resisting nationalist organizations and the NATO’s supply convoys. It is now trying to forcibly talibanize our secular nation who have been toiling against extremism, mullahcracy, and Pakistan, the mother of flies and global pestilence. The second reason behind all this bloody terrorism is that Sindhi nation maintains an in-depth historic secular social order and highly cultivated sense of universal brotherhood quite opposed to the religious extremism. ISI has done all that with a purpose to paint a wrong picture of Sindh in order to make the western world believe that Sindhis are an extremist nation. It is a vicious intention of the fascist, imperialist, and vampire theocratic state of Pakistan to make the world believe that Sindh also happens to be a heartland of talibaized people. The notorious and tahreek Taliban has also attacked on the shrine of Abdullah Shah Gazi here in Karachi, Sindh, killing innocent women and children. The intentions of forcible talibanization on the part of ISI must be noted.
Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz has taken a serious notice of such fascism and terror dropped upon NATO convoys, killing of the innocent people, and projection of religious fascism. Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz staged Sindh-wide demonstrations against all that. The vice chairman of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, Mr. Sirai Qurban Khawar, and general secretary of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, Mr. Muzaffar Bhutto, made a joint press conference here in Hyderabad against the attacks on NATO convoy in Shikarpur and condemned Tahreekay Taliban’s inhuman and blood thirsty ways towards the international community and the secular Sindhi nation.
They said in their joint conference that the Sindhi nation will continue to support and stand with the international community in the war on terror. ‘We will stand with America, NATO, European union, Afghanistan, and India in the war on terror, while’ They added, ‘Punjab, ISI, and Pakistan army are the blackmailer, fraudulent, and they bolster and sponsor extremists against the international community.’
However, the international community knows full well that the 9/11 attacks had also been accomplished by the same forces of evil in accomplice with ISI in which some 5000 innocent people lost their lives and a fierce wave of fear and horror swept through out the western world brought about unprecedented security concerns and the western society is still suffering from morbid psychological disturbance emanating from the heinous attacks.
Pakistan is such an immoral and shameless theocratic state of the world which had killed 3000000 people in Bengal. The shameless and inhuman Punjabi army which never tires from hateful criticism upon Hindus, Jews, and Christians, has forgotten the fact that they are the same vampires who had begun a mass rape in Bengal which had left 500000 young girls pregnant and all the girls victimized were Muslim. This all has been an inerasable scar on the face of humanity quite matchless in the degree of torture, mass murder, and humiliation of a Muslim nation. Shame on such an army who still consider themselves to be humans!
This rogue state has vicious intentions of exterminating the Sindhi and the Balouch nations so as to swallow up their natural resources and to stretch its Punjabi population to the Arabic ocean. That is why it has dumped in Sindh and Baluchistan the extremist forces of darkness that have begun to kill people like insects. If such a downright fundamentalist and islamist state also possesses the nuclear bomb which it lovingly calls the Islamic bomb (it proved to be so when it proliferated the technology and the material to Iran) will south Asia, central Asia, Europe, USA, and Israel be safe from the nuclear terror! Not really... they will never.
Let us, for instance, have a close look at the extremist state and its institutions. The chief justice of the theocratic supreme court of Pakistan keeps on saying that Islam (Bin Ladenist two-nation theory) is the state religion and his court will repeal any bill passed by the parliament demanding abolition of the state religion (theocracy). The constitution of the state is of theocratic origin and the parliament, too, is theocratic in one or other way and treads upon the guidelines of a fascist judiciary, a fascist Pakistani national security, and a fascist intelligence agency, the ISI, and an extremist Punjabi army. All the rest institutions of Pakistan carry the venom of Ladenist two-nation theory and it is such a vampire state which has been the mother of religious extremism, haunting every nook and corner of the world.
It could well be concluded now that what kind of state this has been and still is. The state openly says that it will never give up the theocratic rule. Naturally this means that the WMDS which state possesses are much likely to slip into the hands of extremists. Indeed, this state along with its missiles and nuclear and chemical weapons is hanging over the humanity like Damocles’ sword.
I have been appealing the international community again and again that the nuclear weapons of the fundamentalist state pose a simultaneous threat to the existence of Sindhi nation, Baluchistan, and the western world as well. I have been appealing to the world to disarm and dismantle this godzillian state as it has been trampling humanity under its feet.
According to the reports of the intelligence agency of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, the fascist state has buried a huge nuclear arsenal in the mountain ranges of Qambar-Shahdadkot district of Sindh, on the Baluchistan side by Mazarani Gas field and also in the mountain ranges of Thano Boola Khan Territory of district Jamshoro, Sindh. We have been highly concerned at all this and have already appealed to the international community in the context of the matter so as to take a serious notice of such a heinous transportation of nuclear weapons in our national geography.
We also express our deep concerns at the vulnerability of the world to the WMDS of the state.
We are afraid that if the arsenal is not ceased from the theocratic state there is no denying the fact, the weapons may fall into the evil hands of the extremists at any time in near future.
Today if we look at Latin America, Middle East, central Asia, and south Asia, we come to know that the entire world seems to be at great political unrest. Europe strives for the political harmony in the above mentioned territories of the world required for the investment and markets, while, united states of America has abandoned its old policies to the third world pursued during the cold war era and has been reconsidering and reviving its policies to the third work very quickly. It has embarked upon the ever great democratization of the world through its liberal new world order which believes in creation of the nation states in the third world. This all seems to be a kind of great compensation on the part of United States of America to the chained and bereaved nations of the third world still being ground under the brutal stone of theocratic fascism and militaristic Bonapartism.
It is really an appreciable effort on the part of United States of America that in the near past it has toppled military dictatorship of Charles Taylor in Liberia, maniac Sadam Husain in Iraq, and ignorant mullah Omar in Afghanistan so as to free the nations of the said countries from the clutches of rogue regimes of terror and fascism. On the one hand, the nations of the Middle East are looking for the possibilities of getting rid from the absolutist and maniac monarchs, on the other, the Palestine and Israel have begun to prefer table to the trotting guns for resolving their contradictions- this appears to be a change in the global political process which has begun to believe in talks rather than in chaos. However, the mineral rich central Asia has drawn immense political attention of the world, while, at the same time, situation in Afghanistan has been of distinct nature as the country encounters the chaotic and ignorant Taliban soon after getting rid from the godzillian Al-Qaeda. Feeling the challenges of the age to true proportions, china and India have begun to compete on the road of economy. Though the situation in Africa is pretty disappointing as the civil wars still rule there, yet there is a hope that normalization would soon come. There is a hope and expectation that the world will at last come out from the void of extremism, and begin to live as a world of harmonized internationalism, fraternity, democracy, mutual understanding, mutual respect, universal justice, equality, and freedom from fascism – united states of America, and European union have made great shifts in their policies towards the world affairs which has proven to be a compensation to the chained and humiliated third world nations.
As for as Pakistan is concerned, hitherto, it has been the representative of the islamist extremism and has been the state of demons like lackaday teabag, Al-Qaeda, Tahreekay lashkar e Tayaba, Jaish Muhammad, Jamat Ul Dawa, Jamaitay Islami, Jamiat Ulema, Haqani net work and the like, and it has been dampening and frustrating the campaign against terror and fascism through its arch evil ISI which has been working behind them as a strong think tank and trainer of them. It has been working in collaboration with a huge network of its retired officers such as notorious Hameed Gul and the like have been given such an assignment to preach the Ladenist two-nation theory of the theocratic state and keep on creating commotion and chaos in media against the good will of the western world.
It is quite noteworthy that ex-president of Pakistan, Parwaiz Musharaf has said that ISI has been running training camps of the Islamist extremists in the Indian Kashmir. Except from that, the notorious ISI has been closely working behind such extremist factors in the world as, the Sikh in India, Chechnya, the Muslim population in china, Afghanistan, the extremist Tamil tigers, the Sudan, Yaman, and right within Europe and America; there is not a place in the world where this rogue and fascist state has not made its malicious involvement to aggravate the state of affairs in the world.
Pakistan is such a theocratic state whose army training centers ring with the slogans of (Jihad Fee sabeel-ullah) and (Pakistan stands for laai llah Ila Allah). All that is taught as the fundamental motive and morale of the army and the intelligence agencies. It is an army which recognizes the NATO forces as kafir. It has been such a state which has a record of all 63 years of rearing a fundamentalist army and now it has grown a kind of cancer to the evolution of man and civilization in the world. We are of the strong opinion based upon the scientific analysis that the world can not get rid from the Islamist extremism and nuclear proliferation without disarming and dismemberment of the theocratic Ladenist state of Pakistan. Truly speaking, the idea of war on terror without finishing the theocratic state is like pouring out a few buckets of water from a well for the purpose of cleaning it at whose bottom lays a dead rotten pig.
We are the true and strict followers of the message of Sain GM Sayad, who preached Sufism, secularism, world peace, unity of humanity, belief in the evolution of man as supreme being, condemnation of religiosity. The philosopher Sayad had prophesied that for the accomplishment of peace in the world creation of Sindhu Desh would be unavoidable. In 1960, the in his message of Sindh, the great Sayyad waged an ideological war against the fascist networks of mullahcracy, fundamentalism, and the pro-modoodian and pro-Ladenist jihadist ideology of Pakistan. The unbending Sayyad fought against religious fascism to the last moment of his life. He died in chains at the age of 91 years in Jinnah hospital Karachi. The great Sayyad remained in chains and house arrest for 32 years for the reason that he had stood against the religious extremism of fascist Pakistan and had established the nationalist movement in Sindh demanding freedom of Sindhu Desh and dismemberment of the mullahcratic Ladenist Pakistan. The Sayyad went successful in his great ideological pursuit. That is why, as for as secularism is concerned, today’s Sindh shines like a crystal diamond among the nations of the world.
However, when the NATO convoy came under the Taliban ambush in Shikarpur, the Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz rose in great Sindh-wide demonstrations including Karachi, Hyderabad, Khairpur, Dadu, Nawabshah, Sukkar, Meerpur khas, Ghotky, Larkana, Naseerabad, Jacobabad, Badin, Thata, Jamshoro, Tando Muhammad khan, Sehwan, Dokri, Kandhkot, and many other cities, towns, and villages against the ruffians of Punjab, the Taliban. The demonstrations supported the international community’s war on terror and supported United States of America and the NATO in their campaign against the Ladenist networks. It is quite lamentable, that the electronic and print media of this fundamentalist state has been under the thumb of ISI owing to which the dumb media could not give coverage to our demonstrations. Even, the English daily DAWN did not give us any coverage at all, as the ISI keeps it under its strong grip to remain tongueless.
Let us bring it forth to the democratic nations of the world, and the representatives of the humanist institutions of the world that it Sain GM Sayad had made a great speech in the Vienna international peace conference in 1952 in which, addressing to the world, he had said, ‘If the west does not stop supporting the religious extremists and theocratic states in the world, the fundamentalist factors in the world will multiply into a hell against the world peace and humanity’
What the great Sayad said there has proved to be an unnegatable truth today and he was accurately right in what he had prophesied as we know that the Ladenist state has proved to be a kind of epilepsy to the world peace and terror and destruction to the healthier evolution of humanity in the world. That is why we are openly struggling against the theocratic state, its theocratic imperialism, its draconian and fundamentalist army, and its vampire and internationally notorious bloody ISI. On the one hand, it is the Sindhu Desh liberation army which is fighting against extremist Pakistan and for the creation of Sindhu Desh, on the other; it is Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz which is struggling on the political platform as a resistive organization. It is a pity that, hitherto, they international community has even not given us moral and political support for our strong commitment to the world peace and resistance against fascism, extremism and pan Islamism.
Today, the fascist Punjabis and Pakhtoons have made an extremist alliance under the name of Tahreekay Taliban and have tried to inflict their fascist philosophy on our nation through extreme use of terror. They are trying to change the secular social psyche of our nation through use of brutal suicide attacks. At this critical juncture of history, it is moral duty of the international community to help us in our legitimate struggle against Punjabi fascism and give due respect to our democratic right to freedom from the fascist Pakistani state.
It may well be noted that Sindh has remained a separate and independent country for hundreds of thousands of years. We are the nation which holds great contribution in the evolution of man as a supreme being on the earth. Even today, Mohen-jo-Daro stands witness to the fact that we had emerged into a highly advanced civil society some 5000 years ago and our ancestors had established the first city state in the world and we include among the nations who laid down the foundation of civilization and culture and culture in the world. Thepini loak were those people of Sindh who had been trading with the entire world in the ancient age. Lord Shiva and Shakhty Devi had given the concept and philosophy of mankind to the world some 30000 years ago. Our ancestors at that time composed the ever great hymns of Vedas (rug vad) and gave the world a great lyrical literature which happens to be the very foundation of the entire philosophy and theology of the world.
Today, the extremist, fascist, and the international terrorist Punjabi state based upon theocratic two-nation theory is trying all possible ways to exterminate our rich cultural heritage and national existence.
Being the chairman of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, and representative of my chained nation, I appeal to the international community and democratic nations and institutions of the world such as united states of America, Britain, European union, India, Israel, Germany, Russia, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, France, Spain, united nations, international court of justice, human rights organizations, poets of the world, lawyers, and intellectuals of the world to take a serious notice of the heinous crimes against sindhi nation on the part of fascist state of Pakistan.
I would like to once again bring it to the kind notice of the international community that my nation lends stronger support to the international community’s campaign against fundamentalism, and we will stand magnanimously with the world for the restoration of world peace and for the evolution of humanity.
We are of the opinion that it is theocratic Pakistan who has dumped the entire world into the hell of religious extremism and truly it is responsible for the inferno in which the entire humanity is being tormented. If the world must not suffer any more then the fascist state must be dismembered and the nations chained in its malignant, artificial, and barbaric boundaries must at once be freed. The restoration of world peace, the restoration of the security of the world, and freedom of Sindh and Baluchistan are conditionally essential to each other.
I also appeal to the international criminal court to take immediate notice of the forced disappearance and extra judicial murder of Mr. Sami Ullah Kalhoro, the vice chairman of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz at the hands of the hands of fascist ISI. I appeal to the honorable court to bring the killers to justice.
Sincerely
SHAFI MUHAMMAD BURFAT
CHAIRMAN
JEAY SINDH MUTTAHIDA MAHAZ, SINDH.
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Ahmed Makhdoom سانئِيَمِ! سَدائِين ڪَرِين، مَٿي سِنڌُ سُڪارَ دوستَ! مِٺا دِلدارَ، عالَمُ سَڀِ آبادِ ڪَرِين؍
(شاھُ ڀٽائيؒ)
“Oh Lord! May Thee Bless my Sindh with bounties in abundance,
Oh My Friend, my Beloved! Glorify Universe all with Thine exuberance.”
(Shah Bhittai: Translated by Ahmed Makhdoom)
مانوارا سُنھڻان مِٺِڙا ساٸين؍
خوش ھجو شال سسداٸين؍
لکين قرب ۽ مهربانيون؍اوهان جا لک لائق ۽ احسان؍
مـُون کـي جِـيـَارِيـنِ، وايُـون وَڻـجـَارَن جـون؍
سَنهِينٸَ سوئيءَ سِبيو مۇن مارُن سِين مَنُ؍
(شاهه ڀٽائيؒ)
January 22 at 5:45pm · 2 people ·
Ahmed Makhdoom ساٸين
وَھ واھ ٿِي وٸِي؍دِلَڙِي ٺَرِي پَٸِي؍
پڇيو ئي جان دوست، تان پاسي ڪر پرهيز کي،
جئين ڏٺو هوت، تن دين سڀيئي دور ڪيا،
(شاھُ ڀٽائيؒ)
“Puchhiyo ee jaan dostu, taan paasei kari prheiza khei,
Jiyein ddittho hotu, tan deena sabheiee duur kayaa!”
(Shah Bhittai)
“Beloved thy Friend maintain, abstain from all disdain,
Glorious Guide they sustain, other routes they refrain!”
(Shah Bhittai: Translated by Ahmed Makhdoom)
January 22 at 5:46pm · 1 person ·
Mansoor Khaskheli Its True . We Support JSMM Chairman Comrade Shafi Muhammad Burfat's Point Of View . Int.Community Should Take this Very Seriously .. . ..
January 22 at 7:19pm · 1 person ·
Amjad Ali Pathan it is true
January 22 at 9:03pm ·
Drniaz Hussain we appreciate and support
international community of sindhi peoples
majority supports ur idealogy
needs more ur worke up and commincation
ur other friends also should come forward and be in comminuicaton with the sindhis around the world
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AN OPEN LETTER TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY
From
SHAFI MUHAMMAD BURFAT,
CHAIRMAN
JEAY SINDH MUTTAHIDA MAHAZ, SINDH.
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Respected international community,
I have been writing to you when ever I have felt the ultimate necessity to express my good will to the world peace and to communicate with you for your positive response regarding our concerns at the multiplying terrorist activities of the ISI and its Islamist networks wreaking havoc against humanity in Sindh.
The theocratic and downright fascist state of Pakistan, based upon the maniac ideological foundation of the stagnant mullacratic two-nation theory, had begun to work in accomplice with ISI against the united states of America and NATO at the very time when the later had been busy making their mind to war against the Taliban regime of mullah Omar and its lasting ally, the al-Qaeda. The western spirit had been at great unease as the draconian mullah had refused to comply with United States of America to hand over the spiritual and ideological mastermind of the heinous events of 9/11, Osama bin laden to Washington.
As a matter of fact, the Taliban were planned, designed, nurtured, matured, trained, and brought into existence and sponsored as a regime of terror and global fascism by ISI.
ISI is that ghost institution of Pakistani state of terror and fascism which is downright drenched with the mullahcracy and fascist two nation theory and there is no denying the fact that ISI, the mother of terror, has borne from its demoniac womb the Godzilla of al-Qaeda which has been wreaking havoc everywhere in the world and poses an immanent nuclear threat to the entire world. Today, the western world is in the vice grip of a constant fear and horror and has been breathing under the heinous possibilities of a devastating nuclear attack.
Based upon the notorious, unnatural and utopian ideology of Muslims-as-a-separate-nation, the ISI has been that unnatural, malignant and covert channel of the fascist state through which it has put fetters on the nations ( Sindh and Baluchistan ) falling into the vicious circle of its barbarically artificial boundaries. History bears us witness that this fascist state crossed all the limits of crime and torture in Bengal and carried on in Bengal a brutal mass bloodshed and mass rape.
In the recent history, it has subjected Sindh and Baluchistan to heart rending genocide, economic exploitation, and social injustice which has resulted in the shooting rise in poverty and has disturbed the normal social psychology.
However, as for as the situation in the region is concerned, it has been trying to frustrate the neighboring countries such as, India and Afghanistan, and, as for as peace and normalization in the neighboring countries is concerned, it has been inflicting upon them continuous complexities of pangs.
It has been terrorizing the democratic states of the world through its fascist instrument of suicide attacks and has been training and sponsoring all sorts of fundamentalist organizations which have been wreaking havoc everywhere under different names but with the same evil agenda of global terror. It has been such an internationally immoral state which has been selling nuclear technology to the rogue states like hot cakes. It has been a state quite irresponsible to the international community since its very birth. It has been a state which has proven itself a matchless evil and malice to its neighboring countries. It has been a state which has dumped the world into an abysmal and unending nuclear race and strife which has brought the world at the verge of a possible world war iii. It has been a state which has never been normal to its neighboring countries. Rather, it has been adding fuel to the fire everywhere in the world. It has been a state which has felt no shame on draconian economic exploitation, Yazidian use of blind force, torture, terror, and injustice to Sindh and Baluchistan falling into the vicious circle of its notorious boundaries. It has thrown Sindh and Baluchistan in the jaws of grinding poverty and helplessness.
The sole reason behind all such whitish of the white crimes against humanity has been its long cherished dream of establishing a pan Islamic imperialism in the world in accomplice with the Arab monarchies and so-called socialist states in the world.
One wonders how such a dualist and terrorist state can be a natural ally of the world in its war against terrorism! It can never, indeed. That is why, on the one hand, the fascist ISI and the bloody army of Punjab have been blackmailing the western world through the instrument of terror alarm, only meant at extorting huge chunks of monetary aid and assistance from the bleeding world, on the other hand, the state pursues its most cherished agenda of training and instigating the extremist Taliban and other extremist organizations to wreak havoc against united states of America, NATO, the democratic states of Europe, India, and Afghanistan.
That is why, the ISI in accomplice with its retired officers, and Pakistani army, sponsored terrorist attacks in Mumbai, where the Islamist extremists had begun a horrible blood bath. The vampire state machinery has designed such a bloody force of evil which has been blood thirsty and just can not live without bloodshed. They have been taught that in the paradise they would be granted in reward the bounty of hoors (70 young beautiful girls ), the gilmaan (young boys), grapes, cold drinks, honey, milk and many other things of lust and luxury in return of such heinous crimes against humanity!
ISI, the trainer and sustainer of such forces of evil, has been exercising war crimes in the rest of the world through such demoniac extremists. The theocratic state today has emerged as the most criminal state of the world ensnaring the entire world into a complex web of bloodletting and horrible terror. And all that has been its most cherished agenda to emerge as a horrible polar in the world at the cost of chaos and mayhem in the world. The grimace of the world does not appeal it. However, the wounds of the world are now growing into multiple gangrenes yet it does not stop its maniac pursuit of pan Islamism and seems to leave no extreme uncrossed for its draconian interests.
It is strange that the worst enemies of yesterday have entered into a staunch alliance to stand against the western world. The mullah, the socialist, and the communist speak the same language against the western world- the west, especially united states of America, that strive for a healthier democratic order in the world, comprising freedom of the chained nations, restoration and preservation of human rights, mutual understanding among human beings, and fraternity in this uneasy world-an idea which happens to be the last hope to the humiliated, oppressed, and the chained third world nations.
Recently, ISI has sponsored terrorist attacks on NATO’s supply convoy in Shikarpur, Sindh, with the help of its most beloved and spiritual progeny, the Taliban.
It is now crystal clear that ISI now treads upon the path of an open clash with NATO, and American interests. It should be noted that it has made selection of Sindh for such attacks for apparently two basic reasons.
The first reason for that is that the nationalist organizations of Sindh have begun to resist against the fascist state for the freedom of Sindh and have been working in a highly organized way against the state. However, the organizations have also excelled in submitting the Sindh case with the international community. This has attracted a staunch support to the struggling organizations here in Sindh. The Sindhi nation has given a considerably better response, support, and sympathies to the resistive nationalist organizations who have been working with Great Spirit and seriousness. The organizations have been preaching Sufism, secularism, humanism, and anti-extremist social thought in Sindh. The Sindh nation has been the finest and an exemplary nation who have an unshakable belief in secularism, and universal brotherhood. They have never given their ears to the hosts of extremist Tableeg Jamat supported and sent by Punjab to preach religious extremism here in Sindh. For 63 years they have been coming here in Sindh to distort the sufist social fiber of Sindh but have never been successful.
Apparently, the ISI has embarked upon countering the resistant nationalist organizations in Sindh and, for such reasons; it has sponsored Taliban extremism here in Sindh, to counter the resisting nationalist organizations and the NATO’s supply convoys. It is now trying to forcibly talibanize our secular nation who have been toiling against extremism, mullahcracy, and Pakistan, the mother of flies and global pestilence. The second reason behind all this bloody terrorism is that Sindhi nation maintains an in-depth historic secular social order and highly cultivated sense of universal brotherhood quite opposed to the religious extremism. ISI has done all that with a purpose to paint a wrong picture of Sindh in order to make the western world believe that Sindhis are an extremist nation. It is a vicious intention of the fascist, imperialist, and vampire theocratic state of Pakistan to make the world believe that Sindh also happens to be a heartland of talibaized people. The notorious and tahreek Taliban has also attacked on the shrine of Abdullah Shah Gazi here in Karachi, Sindh, killing innocent women and children. The intentions of forcible talibanization on the part of ISI must be noted.
Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz has taken a serious notice of such fascism and terror dropped upon NATO convoys, killing of the innocent people, and projection of religious fascism. Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz staged Sindh-wide demonstrations against all that. The vice chairman of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, Mr. Sirai Qurban Khawar, and general secretary of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, Mr. Muzaffar Bhutto, made a joint press conference here in Hyderabad against the attacks on NATO convoy in Shikarpur and condemned Tahreekay Taliban’s inhuman and blood thirsty ways towards the international community and the secular Sindhi nation.
They said in their joint conference that the Sindhi nation will continue to support and stand with the international community in the war on terror. ‘We will stand with America, NATO, European union, Afghanistan, and India in the war on terror, while’ They added, ‘Punjab, ISI, and Pakistan army are the blackmailer, fraudulent, and they bolster and sponsor extremists against the international community.’
However, the international community knows full well that the 9/11 attacks had also been accomplished by the same forces of evil in accomplice with ISI in which some 5000 innocent people lost their lives and a fierce wave of fear and horror swept through out the western world brought about unprecedented security concerns and the western society is still suffering from morbid psychological disturbance emanating from the heinous attacks.
Pakistan is such an immoral and shameless theocratic state of the world which had killed 3000000 people in Bengal. The shameless and inhuman Punjabi army which never tires from hateful criticism upon Hindus, Jews, and Christians, has forgotten the fact that they are the same vampires who had begun a mass rape in Bengal which had left 500000 young girls pregnant and all the girls victimized were Muslim. This all has been an inerasable scar on the face of humanity quite matchless in the degree of torture, mass murder, and humiliation of a Muslim nation. Shame on such an army who still consider themselves to be humans!
This rogue state has vicious intentions of exterminating the Sindhi and the Balouch nations so as to swallow up their natural resources and to stretch its Punjabi population to the Arabic ocean. That is why it has dumped in Sindh and Baluchistan the extremist forces of darkness that have begun to kill people like insects. If such a downright fundamentalist and islamist state also possesses the nuclear bomb which it lovingly calls the Islamic bomb (it proved to be so when it proliferated the technology and the material to Iran) will south Asia, central Asia, Europe, USA, and Israel be safe from the nuclear terror! Not really... they will never.
Let us, for instance, have a close look at the extremist state and its institutions. The chief justice of the theocratic supreme court of Pakistan keeps on saying that Islam (Bin Ladenist two-nation theory) is the state religion and his court will repeal any bill passed by the parliament demanding abolition of the state religion (theocracy). The constitution of the state is of theocratic origin and the parliament, too, is theocratic in one or other way and treads upon the guidelines of a fascist judiciary, a fascist Pakistani national security, and a fascist intelligence agency, the ISI, and an extremist Punjabi army. All the rest institutions of Pakistan carry the venom of Ladenist two-nation theory and it is such a vampire state which has been the mother of religious extremism, haunting every nook and corner of the world.
It could well be concluded now that what kind of state this has been and still is. The state openly says that it will never give up the theocratic rule. Naturally this means that the WMDS which state possesses are much likely to slip into the hands of extremists. Indeed, this state along with its missiles and nuclear and chemical weapons is hanging over the humanity like Damocles’ sword.
I have been appealing the international community again and again that the nuclear weapons of the fundamentalist state pose a simultaneous threat to the existence of Sindhi nation, Baluchistan, and the western world as well. I have been appealing to the world to disarm and dismantle this godzillian state as it has been trampling humanity under its feet.
According to the reports of the intelligence agency of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, the fascist state has buried a huge nuclear arsenal in the mountain ranges of Qambar-Shahdadkot district of Sindh, on the Baluchistan side by Mazarani Gas field and also in the mountain ranges of Thano Boola Khan Territory of district Jamshoro, Sindh. We have been highly concerned at all this and have already appealed to the international community in the context of the matter so as to take a serious notice of such a heinous transportation of nuclear weapons in our national geography.
We also express our deep concerns at the vulnerability of the world to the WMDS of the state.
We are afraid that if the arsenal is not ceased from the theocratic state there is no denying the fact, the weapons may fall into the evil hands of the extremists at any time in near future.
Today if we look at Latin America, Middle East, central Asia, and south Asia, we come to know that the entire world seems to be at great political unrest. Europe strives for the political harmony in the above mentioned territories of the world required for the investment and markets, while, united states of America has abandoned its old policies to the third world pursued during the cold war era and has been reconsidering and reviving its policies to the third work very quickly. It has embarked upon the ever great democratization of the world through its liberal new world order which believes in creation of the nation states in the third world. This all seems to be a kind of great compensation on the part of United States of America to the chained and bereaved nations of the third world still being ground under the brutal stone of theocratic fascism and militaristic Bonapartism.
It is really an appreciable effort on the part of United States of America that in the near past it has toppled military dictatorship of Charles Taylor in Liberia, maniac Sadam Husain in Iraq, and ignorant mullah Omar in Afghanistan so as to free the nations of the said countries from the clutches of rogue regimes of terror and fascism. On the one hand, the nations of the Middle East are looking for the possibilities of getting rid from the absolutist and maniac monarchs, on the other, the Palestine and Israel have begun to prefer table to the trotting guns for resolving their contradictions- this appears to be a change in the global political process which has begun to believe in talks rather than in chaos. However, the mineral rich central Asia has drawn immense political attention of the world, while, at the same time, situation in Afghanistan has been of distinct nature as the country encounters the chaotic and ignorant Taliban soon after getting rid from the godzillian Al-Qaeda. Feeling the challenges of the age to true proportions, china and India have begun to compete on the road of economy. Though the situation in Africa is pretty disappointing as the civil wars still rule there, yet there is a hope that normalization would soon come. There is a hope and expectation that the world will at last come out from the void of extremism, and begin to live as a world of harmonized internationalism, fraternity, democracy, mutual understanding, mutual respect, universal justice, equality, and freedom from fascism – united states of America, and European union have made great shifts in their policies towards the world affairs which has proven to be a compensation to the chained and humiliated third world nations.
As for as Pakistan is concerned, hitherto, it has been the representative of the islamist extremism and has been the state of demons like lackaday teabag, Al-Qaeda, Tahreekay lashkar e Tayaba, Jaish Muhammad, Jamat Ul Dawa, Jamaitay Islami, Jamiat Ulema, Haqani net work and the like, and it has been dampening and frustrating the campaign against terror and fascism through its arch evil ISI which has been working behind them as a strong think tank and trainer of them. It has been working in collaboration with a huge network of its retired officers such as notorious Hameed Gul and the like have been given such an assignment to preach the Ladenist two-nation theory of the theocratic state and keep on creating commotion and chaos in media against the good will of the western world.
It is quite noteworthy that ex-president of Pakistan, Parwaiz Musharaf has said that ISI has been running training camps of the Islamist extremists in the Indian Kashmir. Except from that, the notorious ISI has been closely working behind such extremist factors in the world as, the Sikh in India, Chechnya, the Muslim population in china, Afghanistan, the extremist Tamil tigers, the Sudan, Yaman, and right within Europe and America; there is not a place in the world where this rogue and fascist state has not made its malicious involvement to aggravate the state of affairs in the world.
Pakistan is such a theocratic state whose army training centers ring with the slogans of (Jihad Fee sabeel-ullah) and (Pakistan stands for laai llah Ila Allah). All that is taught as the fundamental motive and morale of the army and the intelligence agencies. It is an army which recognizes the NATO forces as kafir. It has been such a state which has a record of all 63 years of rearing a fundamentalist army and now it has grown a kind of cancer to the evolution of man and civilization in the world. We are of the strong opinion based upon the scientific analysis that the world can not get rid from the Islamist extremism and nuclear proliferation without disarming and dismemberment of the theocratic Ladenist state of Pakistan. Truly speaking, the idea of war on terror without finishing the theocratic state is like pouring out a few buckets of water from a well for the purpose of cleaning it at whose bottom lays a dead rotten pig.
We are the true and strict followers of the message of Sain GM Sayad, who preached Sufism, secularism, world peace, unity of humanity, belief in the evolution of man as supreme being, condemnation of religiosity. The philosopher Sayad had prophesied that for the accomplishment of peace in the world creation of Sindhu Desh would be unavoidable. In 1960, the in his message of Sindh, the great Sayyad waged an ideological war against the fascist networks of mullahcracy, fundamentalism, and the pro-modoodian and pro-Ladenist jihadist ideology of Pakistan. The unbending Sayyad fought against religious fascism to the last moment of his life. He died in chains at the age of 91 years in Jinnah hospital Karachi. The great Sayyad remained in chains and house arrest for 32 years for the reason that he had stood against the religious extremism of fascist Pakistan and had established the nationalist movement in Sindh demanding freedom of Sindhu Desh and dismemberment of the mullahcratic Ladenist Pakistan. The Sayyad went successful in his great ideological pursuit. That is why, as for as secularism is concerned, today’s Sindh shines like a crystal diamond among the nations of the world.
However, when the NATO convoy came under the Taliban ambush in Shikarpur, the Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz rose in great Sindh-wide demonstrations including Karachi, Hyderabad, Khairpur, Dadu, Nawabshah, Sukkar, Meerpur khas, Ghotky, Larkana, Naseerabad, Jacobabad, Badin, Thata, Jamshoro, Tando Muhammad khan, Sehwan, Dokri, Kandhkot, and many other cities, towns, and villages against the ruffians of Punjab, the Taliban. The demonstrations supported the international community’s war on terror and supported United States of America and the NATO in their campaign against the Ladenist networks. It is quite lamentable, that the electronic and print media of this fundamentalist state has been under the thumb of ISI owing to which the dumb media could not give coverage to our demonstrations. Even, the English daily DAWN did not give us any coverage at all, as the ISI keeps it under its strong grip to remain tongueless.
Let us bring it forth to the democratic nations of the world, and the representatives of the humanist institutions of the world that it Sain GM Sayad had made a great speech in the Vienna international peace conference in 1952 in which, addressing to the world, he had said, ‘If the west does not stop supporting the religious extremists and theocratic states in the world, the fundamentalist factors in the world will multiply into a hell against the world peace and humanity’
What the great Sayad said there has proved to be an unnegatable truth today and he was accurately right in what he had prophesied as we know that the Ladenist state has proved to be a kind of epilepsy to the world peace and terror and destruction to the healthier evolution of humanity in the world. That is why we are openly struggling against the theocratic state, its theocratic imperialism, its draconian and fundamentalist army, and its vampire and internationally notorious bloody ISI. On the one hand, it is the Sindhu Desh liberation army which is fighting against extremist Pakistan and for the creation of Sindhu Desh, on the other; it is Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz which is struggling on the political platform as a resistive organization. It is a pity that, hitherto, they international community has even not given us moral and political support for our strong commitment to the world peace and resistance against fascism, extremism and pan Islamism.
Today, the fascist Punjabis and Pakhtoons have made an extremist alliance under the name of Tahreekay Taliban and have tried to inflict their fascist philosophy on our nation through extreme use of terror. They are trying to change the secular social psyche of our nation through use of brutal suicide attacks. At this critical juncture of history, it is moral duty of the international community to help us in our legitimate struggle against Punjabi fascism and give due respect to our democratic right to freedom from the fascist Pakistani state.
It may well be noted that Sindh has remained a separate and independent country for hundreds of thousands of years. We are the nation which holds great contribution in the evolution of man as a supreme being on the earth. Even today, Mohen-jo-Daro stands witness to the fact that we had emerged into a highly advanced civil society some 5000 years ago and our ancestors had established the first city state in the world and we include among the nations who laid down the foundation of civilization and culture and culture in the world. Thepini loak were those people of Sindh who had been trading with the entire world in the ancient age. Lord Shiva and Shakhty Devi had given the concept and philosophy of mankind to the world some 30000 years ago. Our ancestors at that time composed the ever great hymns of Vedas (rug vad) and gave the world a great lyrical literature which happens to be the very foundation of the entire philosophy and theology of the world.
Today, the extremist, fascist, and the international terrorist Punjabi state based upon theocratic two-nation theory is trying all possible ways to exterminate our rich cultural heritage and national existence.
Being the chairman of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz, and representative of my chained nation, I appeal to the international community and democratic nations and institutions of the world such as united states of America, Britain, European union, India, Israel, Germany, Russia, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, France, Spain, united nations, international court of justice, human rights organizations, poets of the world, lawyers, and intellectuals of the world to take a serious notice of the heinous crimes against sindhi nation on the part of fascist state of Pakistan.
I would like to once again bring it to the kind notice of the international community that my nation lends stronger support to the international community’s campaign against fundamentalism, and we will stand magnanimously with the world for the restoration of world peace and for the evolution of humanity.
We are of the opinion that it is theocratic Pakistan who has dumped the entire world into the hell of religious extremism and truly it is responsible for the inferno in which the entire humanity is being tormented. If the world must not suffer any more then the fascist state must be dismembered and the nations chained in its malignant, artificial, and barbaric boundaries must at once be freed. The restoration of world peace, the restoration of the security of the world, and freedom of Sindh and Baluchistan are conditionally essential to each other.
I also appeal to the international criminal court to take immediate notice of the forced disappearance and extra judicial murder of Mr. Sami Ullah Kalhoro, the vice chairman of Jeay Sindh Muttahida Mahaz at the hands of the hands of fascist ISI. I appeal to the honorable court to bring the killers to justice.
Sincerely
SHAFI MUHAMMAD BURFAT
CHAIRMAN
JEAY SINDH MUTTAHIDA MAHAZ, SINDH.
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“Oh Lord! May Thee Bless my Sindh with bounties in abundance,
Oh My Friend, my Beloved! Glorify Universe all with Thine exuberance.”
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مانوارا سُنھڻان مِٺِڙا ساٸين؍
خوش ھجو شال سسداٸين؍
لکين قرب ۽ مهربانيون؍اوهان جا لک لائق ۽ احسان؍
مـُون کـي جِـيـَارِيـنِ، وايُـون وَڻـجـَارَن جـون؍
سَنهِينٸَ سوئيءَ سِبيو مۇن مارُن سِين مَنُ؍
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Ahmed Makhdoom ساٸين
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Glorious Guide they sustain, other routes they refrain!”
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Mansoor Khaskheli Its True . We Support JSMM Chairman Comrade Shafi Muhammad Burfat's Point Of View . Int.Community Should Take this Very Seriously .. . ..
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Julia Roberts is Hindu: Is America ready for a Hindu sweetheart? By Elizabeth Tenety
Julia Roberts is Hindu: Is America ready for a Hindu sweetheart?
By Elizabeth Tenety
http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/08/julia_roberts_is_hindu_is_america_ready_for_a_hindu_sweetheart.html
By Elizabeth Tenety
http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/08/julia_roberts_is_hindu_is_america_ready_for_a_hindu_sweetheart.html
Julia Roberts has long been called America's sweetheart.
But is America ready for a Hindu sweetheart?
The star of the upcoming movie Eat, Pray, Love revealed in an interview in Elle magazine that she, along with her family, is a practicing Hindu.
From a People excerpt of the Elle interview:
"You make these people and you love them and you want them around for a thousand years," she says about her three kids - 3-year-old Henry and 5-year-old twins Phinnaeus and Hazel - with cameraman Danny Moder. "And you want to be there for them for a thousand years."
But is America ready for a Hindu sweetheart?
The star of the upcoming movie Eat, Pray, Love revealed in an interview in Elle magazine that she, along with her family, is a practicing Hindu.
From a People excerpt of the Elle interview:
"You make these people and you love them and you want them around for a thousand years," she says about her three kids - 3-year-old Henry and 5-year-old twins Phinnaeus and Hazel - with cameraman Danny Moder. "And you want to be there for them for a thousand years."
The entire Roberts-Moder family, she reveals, goes to temple together to "chant and pray and celebrate. I'm definitely a practicing Hindu," says Roberts, who grew up with a Catholic mother and Baptist father.
And since in Hindu cosmology souls can be reincarnated in other bodies, where does she see herself in the next life? "Golly, I've been so spoiled with my friends and family in this life," she says. "Next time I want to be just something quiet and supporting."
(Learn more about what Hindus believe at Patheos.com)
Roberts' embrace of the faith that inspired the enlightenment of Eat, Pray, Love author Elizabeth Gilbert puts her far outside the American mainstream in terms of religious affiliation: 78 percent of Americans identify as Christian; only .4 percent define themselves as Hindu. But Roberts' seek-and-ye-shall-find spirituality is actually quite reflective of American religious practice: 44 percent of Americans currently identify with a different religious tradition than the one in which they were raised.
Still, recent events indicate that Americans may not be ready to fully embrace the Hinduism already in their midst.
Aseem Shukla, On Faith Panelist and co-founder of the Hindu-American Foundation, pointed in a recent post to the examples of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and South Carolina gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley (both converts to Christianity --Jindal from Hinduism, Haley from Sikhism) as evidence that association with Dharma traditions is a public liability.
"Haley endured ludicrous, unsubstantiated allegations of infidelity, and she and Jindal both faced down racial slurs and epithets on their road to victory. But listen to the buzz around Haley's improbable rise and Jindal's electoral success, and what is abundantly clear is that a politically post-racial America does not mean that a pluralistic America has emerged."
"In their public remonstrations of their parent's faiths, Jindal and Haley tell well over three million Hindu and Sikh Americans that their time has not yet come as people of faith."
What do you think? Is America ready to embrace Hinduism? Why or why not?
By Elizabeth Tenety | August 6, 2010; 12:19 PM ET | Category: Pop Theology , Under God
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don't blow it out of proportion, its not about about America, Julia doesnt represent America, its about her personal choice and belief. dont try to create a story where there is none.
Posted by: hemisphere | August 6, 2010 1:06 PM
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"The star of the upcoming movie Eat, Pray, Love revealed in an interview in Elle magazine that she, along with her family, is a practicing Hindu."
I can't imagine what caring about this might feel like. This story has no meaning. Your attempt to insist that I care simply annoys me.
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Posted by: ZZim | August 6, 2010 1:12 PM
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O’ YE/YO: Taste Sweet Sweet America's: 'APPLE//HEART//TOP of 'PEACE & LOVE' for ALL Huumate-People to enjoy On [THIS] bless'th [NEBULAE-BUiLT] Holyi Space-Ship-Earth (of many).
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Posted by: woodstock-41 | August 6, 2010 1:16 PM
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Dear Elizabeth Tenety-
When did personal religious choices became an issue to others than Sarah Palin. You should be in the Perez Hilton staff (hint: that wasn't a compliment)
Posted by: txarlie | August 6, 2010 1:27 PM
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I think this is fantastic. Yet another reason for me to love her. However being non-Indian and practicing Hinduism is by no means a new thing despite the fact that there are only .4% in America. My own mother drifted away from Christianity when she was in her twenties and discovered Hinduism. She still practices and has raised her entire family Hindu as well (that being my sister, three brothers and I). I have blonde hair and green eyes, so I certainly don't look like the traditional Hindu but that proves how appearances can be decieving. I still practice my faith (and am now the same age my miter was when she began) and I commend Julia for being so open about it. While I've never had any issues from any ignorant individuals or prejudice tossed my way, being in the spotlight is a different story. I just hope no one feels unecessarily "threatened" by her choice of religion or decision to no longer follow Christianity. After all, whether we choose to admit it pr not, at the heart of each faith there are similarities. I was taught to accept everyone no matter which they follow. Go Julia! ...Maybe I'll run into her at a temple sometime lol ;)
Posted by: GSch216 | August 6, 2010 1:29 PM
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Didn't Lennon and the lads go through something similar, with "Sexy Sadie"?
Posted by: PSolus | August 6, 2010 1:36 PM
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Another 'star' fiddles with Hinduism. So what? Seems like the Beatles tried this as well. This same culture embraced a vicious caste system, suttee (burning widows on the husband's funeral pyre, and refused to kill rats because they are living creatures. And there seems to be a real connection with Hinduism and poverty, not that wealthy Roberts would recognize it. But thanks for the non-story.
Posted by: woolrichwascool | August 6, 2010 1:43 PM
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To continue enhancing your career in Holywood and/or keep your job there, you must deny or hide your Christian faith! Thus, a number of scared(coward) actors/actresses claim to have adopted this or that non-Christian "religion"! The Israeli "Moguls" who control Holywood will be very upset if you openly embrace Christianity!
Posted by: editor4tonio | August 6, 2010 1:44 PM
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Dear Julia,
You are an embodiment of Hindu philosophy and culture. Non-violent, non-oppressive without any demands of daily prayers and the like, Hinduism is a way of life that respects all forms of life. May your tribe grow.
Posted by: shovandas | August 6, 2010 1:47 PM
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Hindu means to be someone who comes from india or hindustan and it is a indian thing, more like it is for you to be a Israeli to be Christian as jesus said : i was send only to the lost sheep of Israel but today i guess anything/ everything is ok
peace
Posted by: ahmeds027 | August 6, 2010 1:50 PM
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People are free to change their religion. That is what America is all about. Going forward, the Asian religion will have lot of appeal. Two of the major religions Hinduism and Buddhism are based on self realization, meditation, and non-violence. They do not actively convert people. Now that the world is becoming more civilized, these religion will have a lot of appeal. In any religion, there are always issues to be dealt with, and these religions are modernizing and will do well going forward.
Posted by: ak1967 | August 6, 2010 1:52 PM
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Yet another celebrity extolling the "spirituality" of India and opting for Hinduism light. Did dear Julia bother to notice that for most Indians, eating and finding potable water is a daily struggle with precious little spirituality?
Posted by: garrafa10 | August 6, 2010 2:00 PM
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And there seems to be a real connection with Hinduism and poverty, not that wealthy Roberts would recognize it. But thanks for the non-story.
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Until 1600's, India had the largest GDP in the world, and China and India had 2/3 of the GDP, until these countries got occupied by others by force. Going forward, things will change. That is the history of humanity.
Posted by: ak1967 | August 6, 2010 2:01 PM
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Sorry if I find it hard to take her conversion seriously. Maybe if her announcing this did not coincide with a movie, I would find it more credible.It strikes me as an attempt to appear unique and get attention.
Posted by: michele79 | August 6, 2010 2:03 PM
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Hinduism is immensely rich religion. The Upanishads and Gita are the ultimate in human intellectualism. To those who try to belittle Hinduism by citing Caste and Satee fail to understand that these do not reflect the soul of Hinduism. Sate system developed during Islamic rule when women were brutally taken after their husbands' death in the battlefield. Sattee was the only way they could avoid degradation of mass rape. Please try to compare any other holy book with Gita, you will see the difference. I was borne Christian and married a Muslim woman before converting to Hinduism. We find ourselves so much at peace and tranquility.
Posted by: centerglobal | August 6, 2010 2:03 PM
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Also, could this simply be a variation of the "Jerusalem Effect"?
Posted by: PSolus | August 6, 2010 2:04 PM
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"Until 1600's, India had the largest GDP in the world, and China and India had 2/3 of the GDP, until these countries got occupied by others by force. Going forward, things will change. That is the history of humanity.
POSTED BY: AK1967"
Where did you get these figures? There is no GDP data for France or England until the 19th century.
Posted by: garrafa10 | August 6, 2010 2:04 PM
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My God has more arms than your God!
Posted by: pgr88 | August 6, 2010 2:07 PM
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Hinduism is THE oldest religion known to man.
Going back to your roots is a good thing
Posted by: Roism007 | August 6, 2010 2:09 PM
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To woolrichwascool:
The dominant culture in this land embraced a vicious system of slavery and racial discrimination, lynching, and killed millions of buffalo because they supported livelihoods of other humans. Throw me 3 more I'll throw you 3 more.
On poverty - you are equating colonialism with religion.
If you were writing this at any time since the dawn of civilization until the 17th century, you would have been tempted to see a real connection between Christianity and poverty, and between Hinduism and prosperity.
Posted by: manbearpig32 | August 6, 2010 2:09 PM
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I find it rather ironic that several people claim that this is a non-story, that they couldn't care less, that WashPost should stop reporting on such things....yes these people clearly all took the time to read the story and then comment. I put it to those folks: Do you typically choose to waste so much of your time on things you care little about and think are unimportant?
Posted by: vickistired | August 6, 2010 2:22 PM
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This discussion is just plain sad. You know, back in the 70s, Americans had no problem whatsoever supporting and revering Muhammed Ali despite that fact that he was not Christian or Jewish -- which you seem to be implying are the only "acceptable" religions in America.
And are you really insinuating that Ms. Roberts should choose a different religion, even if it goes against her true beliefs, to satisfy the American public?
That sounds like a rather anti-religious, cynical viewpoint to me -- unworthy of a column that is supposed to be about faith.
Posted by: wkristol | August 6, 2010 2:25 PM
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I am less concerned over Julia Roberts spiritualism and character, and more about that of my owm. If only we were more interested in the opinions of ourselves, and less of others, we would better ourselves. I am trying for an Aurelius quote.
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Posted by: ommmm-aummm-ameen-2010 | August 6, 2010 2:30 PM
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To woolrichwascool:
I am compelled to reply to your post. To you and all other ignorant people out there bashing hinduism: I am a hindu in my 30s - and no, my great grandmother did not die on her husband's funeral pyre, nor did the great grandmother of anybody I know or heard of. This was probably a practice in the late 1800s or early 1900s. But hey, what was the status of women in America at that time? The headline you probably hear about, that probably makes you comment so wouldnt have been a headline, if it were a more common practice. And as per caste system, it is as good as racism anywhere in the world. I read an article just this morning about the man who opened fire in CT and his 911 call mentioned racism as the reason. People can make as big a deal out of caste system as they want or simply ignore it and carry on with life, as most hindus I know do. So please, do not just bash the religion because of the prejudices you have against it.
Posted by: anonymous81 | August 6, 2010 2:30 PM
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This is a slow break from traditional religious focus in USA: Christianity. However Christ's message and Christian religion are different if you look closely. The Christian religion was founded by Emperor Constantin, who used to throw the early followers of Christ to lions. However the organized religion that culminated into Christianity has a very corrupt history. Bribery and manipulation was used to decide the Divinity or appropriateness of the gospels. If the other gospels were included in the mainstream Christian religion, we would get a totally different picture: gnosticism as opposed to fundamentalist version of Jesus Christ's message of compassion, love and peace.
In contrast, Hinduism is not formally an organized religion. It has been viewed by many as a "elite" belief system that at its core is staunchly monotheist. However the very belief that many gods exist, which is the primary source of irritation of the Abrahamic faiths, has its origins in the "old world" of rituals, beliefs and other practices. Ancient Greeks, to whom our modern western civilization owes much of its legacy, was actually pagan. Romans, whose contribution to the western society is the form of governance (secularism), were also pagans.
But, despite all the hostility that Hindus have faced over the millenia from many assaults and particularly from Muslims and Mongols, Hinduism's core beliefs have survived. Its holy texts (Vedas, Bhagawad Gita, Upanishads, Brahmasutras, etc.) still have a lot resonance in the modern world. Adi Shankaracharya revived Hindu belief when the entire India was swept by the wave of Buddhist influences. (By the way, Buddhism is essentially an atheist doctrine - at least it started that way under Lord Gautama Buddha, aka Siddharta.)
The concept of reincarnation (rebirth) is the core of Hindu belief and was first introduced/revealed in the Bhagawad Gita (chapter 2).
Will Hinduism stay here in USA ? Perhaps. However I do anticipate hostility towards Hindus(like the dot-busters in New Jersey) who would attack Hindu women for their outfits. Or like Joel Stein whose discriminatory attitude towards Indians (Hindus) was vividly depicted in Time magazine article "My Little India".
To know about Hindu culture and India, I recommend the following book:
Arthur Llewellyn Basham, THE WONDER THAT WAS INDIA: A SURVEY OF THE CULTURE OF THE INDIAN SUB-CONTINENT BEFORE THE COMING OF MUSLIMS.
(Available on Amazon.)
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 6, 2010 2:31 PM
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@garrafa10
There are many places you can find the fact about India's and China's GDP including Paul kennedy's book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.
A correction based on what I remember - it was until the 1800s and not 1600s and it was china that had one of the highest GDP (about 19%) followed by India (between 10-15% I think)
Posted by: sa08366 | August 6, 2010 2:32 PM
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Sharon Stone, Richard Gere, Oliver Stone are Buddhists.
Maddona studies Quabbala.
All these celebrities and many more, seeking something beyond the contingent of suck-ups, all dabble in weird religions. They all give it up and go on to something else in two years or so.
Posted by: sperrico | August 6, 2010 2:32 PM
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Liberals imagine themselves to be among the best and brightest of the United States, the best educated and well-read of us all. Then how can they be so interested in what some ditsy movie actress does in her spare time? And cover her "story" in liberal newspapers? Really rational people simply do not care.
Posted by: mhr614 | August 6, 2010 2:33 PM
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I think everybody is missing the point. Hinduism is about first do no harm... Meaning leave the world as good as when you came into it... or as better than you come into it... I think all religions say that... Heaven and hell is here on earth that god created to teach us how to become god so to speak... your good deeds and bad deeds follow your soul not your body that is karma... in each life your soul learns something, you come into this world wanting to learn that skill you have not perfected... (patience, honesty, empathy, compassion...) to figure out what you were meant learn in this life is the purpose of our life and it is as simple and complex as that... what is your life circumstances trying to teach you? no need for hindu, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist and so forth labels... so why all the wars over my god is better than your god.
Posted by: rupal96 | August 6, 2010 2:33 PM
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"But is America ready for a Hindu sweetheart?"
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People like Ms Tenety make me sick.
Posted by: zukermand | August 6, 2010 2:39 PM
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Haley and Jindal are jerks. I live in SC and lived all my life in the Southeast. I don't have to touch on their spirituality, which is a private thing that I hold in high regard. Jindal is a neo-old-school republican huckster and Haley VERY often says one thing and does quite the opposite. For the latter, I encourage people to look at her voting record in the State House. This gubernatorial candidate actually sponsored a voting reform bill BUT DID NOT SHOW UP TO VOTE FOR IT.
Posted by: Meepo | August 6, 2010 2:44 PM
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Hinduism is THE oldest religion known to man.
Going back to your roots is a good thing
Maybe, and it depebds upon your way of looking religion. Druids worshipped Nature and hugged trees I believe. They were dispersed in varios areas throughout Europe and Eurasia ~ 5,000 BC. They were wandering Celtic tribes. Respect for Nature is good, and is also embraced by Hinduism. Christians simply reject polytheism and false idol worhip. The discussion ends there.
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 2:49 PM
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AMERICA CAN NEVER ACCEPT HINDUISM,AS CHRISTIANITY IS THE RELIGION OF book.it has a pragmatic and rational basis with a definite history.It attests JUDAISM and is attested and confirmed by ISLAM.THE three religions together form the entirety of GOD'S MESSAGE TO MANKIND.Nothing more is required.JULIA'S strange act is only an expression of her desire to live long to be always with her children through whatever conceivable processes .YOU can just give a thought to her saying for her children IN the context of her conversion"AND YOU WANT TO BE THERE FOR THEM FOR A THOUSAND YEARS".THIS she wishes to achieve through the Hindu concept of TRANSmigration of soul.I WILL APPRECIATE IF IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MANKIND SHE FINDS ONE TRUE EXAMPLE.PLEASE DON'T EVEN TALK OF AMERICA!
Posted by: libertyWLOVE | August 6, 2010 2:52 PM
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MARS11 wrote:
"Christians simply reject polytheism and false idol worhip. The discussion ends there."
Well... That's none of your damn business in the first place. The discussion ends by noting that what Hindus practice inside their homes and if that does not violate any law of the land, it should be fine.
And, Islam also rejects polytheism and false idol worship. So, why does Christians and Muslims fight each other overf the centuries ? Is it like Islam's monotheism is more muscular than Christianity and hence the two beat each other for jollies ?
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 6, 2010 2:55 PM
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Posted by: ommmm-aummm-ameen-2010 | August 6, 2010 2:59 PM
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Hinduism is the oldest religion, maybe. It depends upon how that is defined. Celtic Druid tribes amassed all over Western and Central Europe practiced a sort of Nture worship.
Christianity is not polytheistic and rejects idolatory, are main variations. We relate too the Lord as man in Jesus, the Holly Spirit in the mysteries of Nature, the unknown and The ONE, father.
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 3:03 PM
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Mr. Deb Chatterjee,
The anti-Hindu posts are a reflection of the facts that you have written.
CeenterGlobal - You are a remarkable person. I would be amazed to know who you are !
Posted by: shovandas | August 6, 2010 3:03 PM
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Debcharee, no you correct, none of my business. Just feel for lost souls who worship cows, parading the streets so gayfully. As for Muslim-Christian conflict, you understand the root cauuse. You of all people since you have the bloodiest war torn conflicts with Muslims and still to this day in Kashmir!
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 3:07 PM
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If this news is not so important, why do people waste their time posting their comments here :).
Untouchability, Burning windows are the dark side of some Cultures that partially follow Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) teachings. There are hundreds of cultures in India and they fully or partially follow Sanatana Dharma teachings. Some cultures went little extreme and people erroneously think that Sanatana Dharma promotes those extremes.
Why "secular" Indian government has been forcing the old caste system on people is different story. But after you are done bashing Caste system of Hinduism, find out which caste you belong to in this Great All Freedom Society of America.
Super rich people
Rich people
Gated communities
White-Collar job holders
Blue-Collar job holders
Food Stamp patriots
Beggars
Whether you like it or not, you are part of modern caste system. You just need to stop watching TV and let your brain do some critical thinking to realize it. I hope I am not asking too much.
Well, Congratulations Julia. Welcome to the family.
Posted by: VasuGokaraju | August 6, 2010 3:08 PM
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Sharon Stone, Richard Gere, Oliver Stone are Buddhists.
Maddona studies Quabbala.
All these celebrities and many more, seeking something beyond the contingent of suck-ups, all dabble in weird religions. They all give it up and go on to something else in two years or so.
Posted by: sperrico
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As opposed to all you Christian types who use your religion to further your careers and judge people.
Richard Gere is a practicing Buddhist for many years as is Sharon Stone, as am I. I find the peace of meditation much more positive that the hate and judgemental attitudes most American Christians seem to thrive on.
In fact most American Christian are about as Unchristian as you can get. Sad really, because true belief in a faith is a wonderful thing.
And don't forget that many people around the world believe that belief in an imaginary sky daddy and his virgin born child are very weird concepts. So don't go calling things weird without some self-reflection. We learn those things in Hinduisn and Buddhism. OBviously you don't in Christianity.
Posted by: racerdoc | August 6, 2010 3:08 PM
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Ms. Tenety,
The good people of America who have considered Julia Roberts to be "America's sweetheart" will continue to consider Julia Roberts to be "America's sweetheart" even after hearing of her conversion to Hinduism. The good people of America aren't religiously intollerant.
What about you? Your very question is a religiously intollerant one and designed to generate religiously-intollerant responses. Why do you, and why does the Washington Post, consider that to be okay?
Posted by: Miovski | August 6, 2010 3:08 PM
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When you say "Is America ready for a Hindu sweetheart?"...what you're really saying is "Are bigoted Born Again Christians ready for a Hindu sweetheart?" right? And I'm not being facetious. That's who you're talking about, right...not "Americans" but a minority of Americans?
Posted by: wkristol | August 6, 2010 3:10 PM
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Oh, come now. Does anyone think of this as anything other than a movie star's current whim? I love Julia Roberts as much as anyone, but in four years, she'll be talking about Buddhism or Dhimmism or whatever else.
Posted by: Cal_Lanier | August 6, 2010 3:11 PM
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I spent decades in a Zen Buddhist Community and as far as most see it, Buddhism is not essentially or partially an atheist doctrine. An atheist believes that there is no God. When Buddha was asked "are you a god?" he replied "I am awake." Buddhism does not consider the question of God to be a religious question in its purview. Not atheist.
Posted by: caseyfrank | August 6, 2010 3:16 PM
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As a practicing Nichiren Buddhist, I have been subjected to unequal treatment in the workplace and other public settings. america does not respect any religion other than their own personla faith, as can be seen by some of the posters that have NO knowledge of Hinduism or any other form of Non-Christian faith. They only have disparaging remarks, not respect.
If the teaching is respectworthy, so is the practitioner, as observed by their acts base don faith alone.
The Lotus Sutra teaches of the Equality of life through the acts of Boddhisattva Never Disparaging.
I observed how some posters note they do not worship idols, ytetr you find idols all other the church, mary, jesus, etc, all idols being worshiped.
Every religion has a different GOD and messenger and they all claim to be the same GOD but each GOD has different children/messenger and yet they all fight claiming ONE GOD when each fights the other over THEIR GOD. NOT ONE GOD but MANY GODS. Christian God with Jesus, Jewish God with Moses, and Muslim God or Allah with Mohammed.
Interesting and the Christian/Catholic/Jewish group claims Buddhist worship idols and many GODS. hmm.
Posted by: patmatthews | August 6, 2010 3:17 PM
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Out of here, thank the Lord. Ironically, what I have encountered is so much less spiritualism, peace and tranquility from those that might espouse the way of life. The commentary is politically burdened, and I understand is a cultural phenomema. In the USA we are taught early the value of intellectual critical thought and the merits of arguement and deate. If anyone mentions, for example, historical facts: the Caste system or marital relations, defenses and denial goes up. Also, caution you may be labelled Hostile and anti-Hindu. What a weak call and discussion ...
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 3:20 PM
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Ha. Name a single major Hollywood star who IS a serious, practicing Christian. Convicted pedophiles have a warmer welcome in Hollywood than devout Christians ("Free Polanski.") And 'devout' does not have to mean holier-than-thou, smug or judgemental, but in tinseltown currency, that is the dominant acceptable description. Active Christian moviegoers, those of weak minds who (in the words of a classic POST article) are "easy to command," willingly patronize movies they like even when the stars have rejected the personal faith of the patron...provided the movie itself is not openly contemptuous of their faith.
Posted by: feslop | August 6, 2010 3:22 PM
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I think that The U.S. is losing its cultural identity.
People nowdays are changing, or switching religions just for the sake of calling attention, because they are weak minded, and mostly because it is a fad.
But they are also looking for sects, spiritual organizations, esoteric schools, et al, where they find mostly, pseudo spiritual charlatans who brainwash them.
My friend, NOBODY posses the truth, but you......if you look into your soul.
The U.S. government, with one of the best writen constitutions of the world, its Bill of Rights, its fair system of justice, one of the best school programs in the world, its wonderful standard of living and the present, state of the art technology developed mostly by american citizens, are the result of the right and accurate decisions that the founding fathers took more than two hundred years ago.
" The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the christian religion." Treaty of Tripoli, signed by president John Adams (1796).
And I would add, sects, spiritual grups, esoteric schools, etc.
I would rather look up to a system like that of the U.S.( spiritually and technologically)
than that of a country where cows are still revered and adored.
"Religion and esoteric schools, et al, began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence; it will fade away as we adopt REASON and SCIENCE as our guidelines."
"The best thing about religion is that it's so transparently absurd, it can't possibly last forever. I'm convinced it will only take a small shift in human consciousness for it to be laughed off the planet."
So Julia Roberts and the like, might be saying in the near future:
I like my new esoteric group (whathever),
I can now read sanscrit, I have now a phanteon of gods and I also adore a cow, but damn, I miss my mind !
Posted by: infinitus | August 6, 2010 3:22 PM
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Yet another reason why actors and actresses should never utter anything in public unless they're reciting lines written for them.
Posted by: PanhandleWilly | August 6, 2010 3:23 PM
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Good for her, but I am not sure why Americans should be obsessed with a movie star's religion. Now if she had converted to Islam, I would have questioned her sanity.
Posted by: HarshK | August 6, 2010 3:25 PM
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India and Hindus do suffer from caste system, sati and extreme poverty but the good thing is that Hindus do not go telling people that theirs is the only and best way to live life like Christians and Muslims (through violence) do.
Also India has suffered from British invasion and imperialism and is still suffering from Islamic terrorism and crusades since 10 th centure AD.
Posted by: HarshK | August 6, 2010 3:30 PM
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"If anyone mentions, for example, historical facts: the Caste system or marital relations, defenses and denial goes up. Also, caution you may be labelled Hostile and anti-Hindu. What a weak call and discussion"
I wonder what you would teach your kids: "Shhhh...thay are stupid Hindus that worship the tasty cow, but don't say that loud, else you will be called anti-Hindu"
???!!!
By the way, if I may, I would like to suggest everybody to watch the movie "Food Inc."
Posted by: anonymous81 | August 6, 2010 3:32 PM
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"@garrafa10
There are many places you can find the fact about India's and China's GDP including Paul kennedy's book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.
A correction based on what I remember - it was until the 1800s and not 1600s and it was china that had one of the highest GDP (about 19%) followed by India (between 10-15% I think)
POSTED BY: SA08366"
I think you are correct and the previous poster meant to say 1800's and not 1600's. I was asking because I have not seen any reliable GDP figures prior to the 19th century and was intrigued to see if there were any data series for 16th and 17th century India and China and how they arrived at the figures.
Posted by: garrafa10 | August 6, 2010 3:34 PM
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ms. roberts and her religious beliefs are of no consequence to me and my life.
she may be your ideal of "america's sweetheart", she is not mine.
you religious bigots will judge her and disparage her faith because it does not reflect yours.
americans can believe what they deem best for them, the same holds true with who they decide to marry, whether they want to procreate and who they choose to vote for. do you get my drift
none of our business.
Posted by: ninnafaye | August 6, 2010 3:35 PM
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Infinitus, the Nation may be actually adding to its cultural richness from new immigrant groups. From the dominant Christian core, we need to reassess and re embrace good traditional spiritual values. Kathleen Townsend Kennedy wrote: Failing America's Faithful: How Today's Churches Are Mixing God and Politics and Losing Their Way. Instead,of the focus on Julia and oher irrelevancies, we must examine ourselves, our Church.
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 3:36 PM
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MARS11 writes:
"In the USA we are taught early the value of intellectual critical thought and the merits of arguement and deate."
No that's pure rubbish. What you are taught is that you are the superior amongst all others, whether you have any intrinsic merits or not. Probably because you are white and Christian (of the Club 700 garden variety) you shall be saved no matter how many crimes you do. That's pure racism, plain and simple.
That's the reason we see Catholic church spending millions on compensating for child abuse by priests and church fathers, who are supposed to be imparting sense of virtue and righteousness to their parish.
Dumb followers of this brand of religion accuse others ... What a joke !
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 6, 2010 3:41 PM
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Why does liking Julia Roberts as an actress have anything to do with embracing Hinduism? I mean, people have liked Tom Cruise for years despite his wacky Scientology beliefs, and Hollywood celebs are typically given a lot of latitude in their beliefs and behaviors. With Cruise, it was only when his celebrity and Scientology started to spill over to each other in some nutty, disturbing ways that people began to recoil.
If Roberts wants to be a practicing Hindu, nobody is going to care. If she starts using her celebrity to push Hinduism onto her fans, then she will probably begin to see some of her fans slip away. That's as it should be--believe what you will, but don't expect people to love you when you're trying to push your beliefs on them.
Posted by: blert | August 6, 2010 3:43 PM
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It's cool if she's Hindu, and people will be okay with Julia Roberts doing pretty much anything as long as she's not killing puppies or the like, but I'm not sure you can extrapolate anything from the political culture in one section of the country, and in particular two states, creating an environment where a couple of conservative Desi politicians may have felt they needed to change their religions and adopt westernized nicknames in order to get ahead. I mean, you can extrapolate stuff about those two states, maybe, or possibly just the more conservative sectors of the GOP in those two states, but the nation as a whole? Not so much.
I agree that people who are visibly of Indian or South Asian descent get treated differently than people of European descent for doing the same things (like if someone saw a white lady walking down the street in a sari, and an Indian lady walking down the street dressed the same, the reactions/assumptions would likely be different). But this blog post seems to be reaching pretty badly.
Posted by: dkp01 | August 6, 2010 3:43 PM
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wonder what you would teach your kids: "Shhhh...thay are stupid Hindus that worship the tasty cow, but don't say that loud, else you will be called anti-Hindu"
???!!!
I would have better priciples, and be less defensive and smiten then some to my children. I can imagine your kids are real confused by now. Hindi that worship, not eat cows, we know to revere the animal, or are you Muslim Indian anti-USA???!!!
By the way, if I may, I would like to suggest everybody to watch the movie "Food Inc."
Everyone watch a movie on swimming and bathing in the ganges.
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 3:43 PM
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Those of us who were raised in the Abrahamic (Judaism, Chrisitianity, and Islam) relgions were taught that idol worship was pagan and wrong. Good luck with Hinduism overcoming that
Posted by: GWGOLDB | August 6, 2010 3:44 PM
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Celebs think being Catholic, Jewish or Baptist is common and boring; so they look for something exotic, like degenerate Hindus or Muaslims. Give them the contempt they deserve.
Posted by: ravitchn | August 6, 2010 3:44 PM
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CHRISTIANITY IS THE RELIGION OF book.it has a pragmatic and rational basis with a definite history.It attests JUDAISM and is attested and confirmed by ISLAM.THE three religions together form the entirety of GOD'S MESSAGE TO MANKIND
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Which supports my point - look what Abraham hath wrought. Is GOD'S MESSAGE TO MANKIND:
- violent, bloody scriptures telling us to bash our children against rocks and to kill all infidels?
- endless war in the name of religion?
- stonings and capital punishment as a manifestation of God's "love"?
- a my-way-or-the-highway demand for obedience to intolerance and exclusion?
- torture?
- sexual and physical abuse of women and children?
- genital mutilation of both females and males?
Some God you got there...
Now go primp, pray, pretend, pimp and pose with your own on Saturday or Sunday and leave Julia alone.
Posted by: areyousaying | August 6, 2010 3:48 PM
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Thank you Pat Mathews.
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 3:49 PM
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This might have provoked an interesting discussion if she wasn't a complete flake who no one takes seriously outside of the cineplex. She'll be on to something else shortly.
Posted by: croaker69 | August 6, 2010 3:51 PM
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My first reaction? "I'm a practicing Hindu for the duration of the promotion of this movie." Period. I honestly did not believe her.
Second: "I'd like to be a more supporting person" my next life, she says. Uh, yeah.
I mean, really. What?
Posted by: sugarstreet | August 6, 2010 3:54 PM
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Why does liking Julia Roberts as an actress have anything to do with embracing Hinduism? I mean, people have liked Tom Cruise for years despite his wacky Scientology beliefs, and Hollywood celebs are typically given a lot of latitude in their beliefs and behaviors. With Cruise, it was only when his celebrity and Scientology started to spill over to each other in some nutty, disturbing ways that people began to recoil.
If you are talking about the anti depressant episode, I did the OPPOSITE of recoil. It was a breath of fresh air at the time. He took quite a risk.
Posted by: sugarstreet | August 6, 2010 3:58 PM
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DebChatterjee spews:
No that's pure rubbish. What you are taught is that you are the superior amongst all others, whether you have any intrinsic merits or not. I am certain that was what she did NOT learn in school, and still requires serious education. Maybe, she was taught in Madras.
Probably because you are white and Christian (of the Club 700 garden variety) you shall be saved no matter how many crimes you do. That's pure racism, plain and simple.
More racism, and religious bigotry from her peaceful land of india. Is this Hindu you're practicing? Have to learn this.
That's the reason we see Catholic church spending millions on compensating for child abuse by priests and church fathers, who are supposed to be imparting sense of virtue and righteousness to their parish.
Dumb followers of this brand of religion accuse others ... What a joke !
Make certain to add an attack on the Chuch. This builds your credibility and strengthens the arguement. How pathetic!
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 4:03 PM
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It really amazes me that people develop strong ideas from half-baked knowledge.
@MARS11: Do you even know what that movie is about? Maybe you do - perhaps as much as you know about other religions.
I have to add I felt a little apologetic after making the comment about kids. I guess I just got carried away by all the negativity.
Posted by: anonymous81 | August 6, 2010 4:04 PM
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Everyone in blogosphere, i apologize for the peevious post. I even stated to leave the poster session; since, it seems to be deteriorated. I make mistake to respond to a child.
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 4:05 PM
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Encourage Julia Roberts with her popularity to consider influencing the Islam cleric who wants to build a Mosque near NY WTC 9/11 attack cite to include a Hindu section within the Islam Mosque to worship Allah.
Tell the American people more about opponents of the Mosque location and why they are calling for an investigation into the shadowy funding and motives of the group behind a $100 million Islamic cultural center and mosque slated near the site of the 9/11 attacks.
The decision by a New York City landmarks panel allowing the project to move forward also has triggered a lawsuit. Consider City landmarks in Hiroshima to include a U.S. edifice of President Truman and the Manhattan Project.
Posted by: klausdmk | August 6, 2010 4:14 PM
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@woolrichwascool: Thanks for pointing out the flaws with Hinduism; would have been great if you had a) pointed out the positives and b) displayed some cognizance of the problems associated with other religious traditions. To help you brush up on some modern history, here are some factoids: Although you castigate Hinduism as being responsible for the caste system, suttee and virtually all the ills that exist on the planet, India (a pluralistic nation with a Hindu majority) instituted laws mandating equal treatment of all castes and prohibiting discrimination on the basis of caste decades before the United States (a Christian majority country) did so for race. Segregation and blatant discrimination on the basis of race was not only prevalent but actually legal in several parts of the US until the landmark civil rights legislation in the 1960s. India has also an affirmative action system that is far more radical than anywhere else in the world, which is seeking to compensate for caste-based discrimination over the millenniums. All of this is due to the progressive elements in Hinduism that you chose to ignore.
Posted by: Astitva | August 6, 2010 4:14 PM
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I am not so interested in a movie, and my comments were also poorly chosen.
I believe, however, that certain indviduals are not listening well, and became dfensive. True, some insensitive post were made, but others expressed what we Christians mistakingly see in our Nation as change of religion as a whim or caprice, the new product for novelty; otherwise, the majority of log participants seem open-mided and tolerant.
That is all I have other than to paraphrase Aurelius: If we spend more on the opinions of ourselves, and less on those of others we make ourselves better
Posted by: mars11 | August 6, 2010 4:19 PM
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Religion is a personal choice. If Christian Evangelicals end up making converts in Eastern countries like Korea or Japan, why should anyone be surprised when some people in the West become Buddhists or Hindus? However, especially with Buddhism, evangelical converting is heavily frowned upon and not part of the religion; this is something people come to on their own. In fact, in the entire history of Buddhism, the sword has never been raised to "convert the heathen." The same is generally true of Hinduism. A remarkable achievement.
Posted by: magnifco1000 | August 6, 2010 4:28 PM
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Looks like the racist bug has smitten many white (Abrahamic) folks, of which the Christian variety is showing its colors by contrasting and demeaning Hindu religious beliefs and practices based on Judaeo-Christian values.
That doesn't bother me because I know that First Amendment formally allows freedom of religion in USA. The dismay expressed by many bloggers, who are probably going to see a shrink knowing that Julia Roberts is a converted Hindu, allows one to speculate that these folks, who claim to represent majority USA, are basically unhappy with that First Amendment when it applies to minority non-Christian/non-Abrahamic denominations.
The silly and characteristically ignorant hatred shown by these bloggers are reflected when we see equating caste-system and (completely outlawed) sati system with part of the Hindu culture.
It reminds us that "white" racism still can bear its ugly fangs while claiming equality for all. For example, if Hindu culture system is primarily polytheist, evil casteism, meek and perverted, I would wonder what about Christanity and USA ? From all that I have read on Washington Post, the horrid details of child molestation by priests, church fathers and subsequent failed denials/cover ups by the Vatican, gives an impression that Christianity in USA is that primarily priests sexually abusing teenage boys. Similarly when Utah was forced to join the Union in 1896, the Mormons had to abandon polygamy. However many Mormons still practice polygamy till today. So, an outsider can fairly conclude that USA condones polygamy even when it is outlawed ?
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 6, 2010 4:36 PM
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All religions are probably lacking in one way or another, and I don't really care what people believe as long as it doesn't affect my ability to live, practice, and believe.
That said, what you've got to love about Hinduism is that it does not have a proselytizing character, has never sent out missionaries, and doesn't spiritually 'damn' anyone who doesn't believe in its teachings. Also, is it better to revere a cow or the almighty dollar, I wonder?
Posted by: Bethesdan | August 6, 2010 4:36 PM
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I wonder whether Julia Roberts got enchanted by Hindu gods and religious
assumptions. I suppose one can find
relief in any sort of belief, but any
serious student of Indian thinking from
RigVeda to Vishnu will agree on this:
The brahmanic vision leading to modern Hinduism is NOT one centered around
love, mutual understanding, mercy, and
forgiving, but is a quite cruel justification of the social status quo favouring the upper class in India.
The Hindu gods do not love the poor.
The task of these gods is justifying
the rule of an arrogant elite suppressing
the common people. Students of Sanskrit
will easily learn how this repressive
ideology evolved in India when the
Arya imposed their rule and when their
gods evolved to guardians of the caste
system.
Posted by: manfredostrowski | August 6, 2010 4:42 PM
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Brother Manfredostrowski:
You please see a shrink quickly. You have rtectal-cranial inversion.
Om Shanti Om !
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 6, 2010 4:54 PM
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Hinduism is not a religion.It is the way of life to live.
Hinduism has scared-texts like Vedas,Upanishads,vedanta.
Like Bible in chirstianty,hindus follows Bhagavad-Gita.(Lord Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead to His intimate disciple Arjuna,)
Ramayana and Mahabhatra is the two epics in hindusim
Bhagavad -Gita(like Bible in chirstianty) is the true scene which taken back some 6000 years back is the sacred plain of Kuruksetra(War).
Hinduism teaches yoga , Meditation ,Astrology,Epics,Arts,rich culture
Hinduism is the true scienctic religion till date.
Unlike sheep in chirstianty .cow in hinduism it got many reasons why we respect cow ,also in vedas and other text ,Lord Krishna was a cowherd, and the bull is depicted as the vehicle of Lord Shiva.
Unlike chirstianty workship Jesus idol.
Hindus has idol worship .its just a symbol form which helps deeply religious , increase concentration and for many reasons...
what ever the reason in order to conclude God is omnipresent ..
Hinduism is the way of life and it is the greatest of all .I am not telling this since I am an Hindu but its values are great ...
Thanks...
Posted by: Satish2 | August 6, 2010 5:04 PM
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Satish2 -- not really helping your cause, if you're trying to defend your faith. At least try using the spell checker.
Posted by: Bethesdan | August 6, 2010 5:07 PM
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It is painful to see this little known Ms. Elizabeth Tenety belittling Hinduism. Some of the greatest brains of the world including Albert Einstein and Robert Oppenheimer derived inspiration from Hindu Scriptures. Even though they never formally changed their faith, they were hugely influenced by the teachings of Hindu scripture Gita. Oppenheimer is on record having said that if it were not for the strength he derived from Gita, he would not have been able to direct Manhattan Project. Please read this article published in the PROCEEDINGS OF THE AMERICAN PHILOSOPHICAL SOCIETY VOL. 144, NO. 2, JUNE 2000: The Gita of J. Robert Oppenheimer by JAMES A. HIJIYA
Professor of History, University of Massachusetts Dartmouth and McKenzie,
Hindu Ethics: A Historical and Critical Essay
Link:
http://www.amphilsoc.org/sites/default/files/Hijiya.pdf
Posted by: centerglobal | August 6, 2010 5:38 PM
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I really don't care if JR converts to Hinduism or not in name. I am always concerned about conversion. It is innately a rejection of one's own familial heritage. But it is what she has choosen as her path to spiritual fulfillment.
The fact that she has joined a religion that I joined has to place caution in my agreement or disagreement with her acts. I can only hope that she is able to work with the blessings of her family. Naturally, I have many a times opposed the christo-islamists ideological books of hate. I certainly feel people should abandon such dogma of hate and the doctrine of obedience to a hateful god. But abandoning a primitive religion as christianity is different than joining another religion. And here is my conflict, for JR.
On the other hand, this article is interesting in its focus. It does not discuss the ideological constructs that attracted JR, it does not discuss the moral conflicts that presented themselves to her, not her journey from christian to Hindu. It simply suggests that she is an oddball for doing so. The article makes JR look like a thoughtless convert (and as writers are aware of what they are writing and leaving out - I believe this is on purpose).
Perhaps the reader is supposed to be so outraged that they go out and read the full article - an advertising gimmick. perhaps we are to see all actions of movie stars as superficially as we see their movies. It makes it so easy to categorize people when you don't have to see them as complex wholes.
How can christians who ignore the systematic, church condoned sodomy of their children even come to grasp less biased reasoning. How can the libertarians who espouse individual liberties while their own "individual" liberties were purchased by the oppression of indigenous populations see that they are just repeating the charges that their indoctrination makes them make. How can the Indian that never seriously studied religion see that the difference in doctrine and history are overwhelmingly against christo-islamic-marxist doctrine.
hariaum
Posted by: Navin1 | August 6, 2010 5:43 PM
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Sorry, got interrupted
JR has embraced a religion. I also embraced the same religion, growing up secular and atheist, because of its teaching, history, and openess to personal relationships with God. Beginning from the standpoint that all religions are one, as one is taught both as a Hindu and a secularist, reading the scriptures and looking for the Huston Smith, "happy happy" approach to religion and the history of hatred based on religion, one evolves to a deeper understanding of the dependence of ego on cultural norms v the dependence of ego on God.
But none of those types of issues are brought out in this article. The article could care less about the journey of an individual. Oh look, a movie star that we can put up as just another member of a flake society.
Even though I think Tom Cruise seems a bit of a nut with his religion, I am pretty certain the Mel Gibson is a bit of a nut about his religion, and Malcolm X was off base as to his ancestral religion, I believe each of these people are (were) on a genuine journey. Though movie stars certainly want their name as front and center, perhaps an article in "on faith" would be on their faith. Then, after the article discusses what it means to be Hindu for JR, it can ask the question, is America ready for a Hindu sweetheart.
hariaum
Posted by: Navin1 | August 6, 2010 6:07 PM
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btw
christians and muslims each have one idol and a duotheology. Christians worship the idol of jesus as represented by the finite book/church as the incarnation of god. Muslims bow to the kabaa as the stone of god. They both believe that two great spiritual forces are battling (god and satan). They just call themselves monotheists and anti-idolators to make themselves feel superior. (neither can give up satan nor their idols)
hariaum
Posted by: Navin1 | August 6, 2010 6:12 PM
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I would have to raise some concerns about the history of burning brides after their husbands die and sometimes for not bringing enough dowry while the husband is alive, the long history of cononed abuse thru religion by the caste system, and the prevalence of corruption in the indian society as accepted norm for something as simple as renewing your drivers license, As for the rich and famous, it can be a source of fleeting peace.
Posted by: Kingofkings1 | August 6, 2010 6:26 PM
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Vomit!
Posted by: KrautKiller | August 6, 2010 6:40 PM
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kok
sure, bring up criticisms. Hindus are open to that and are reforming the culture of India faster than the christian rulers and muslims before them even bothered. In 50 years of unyoking Hindu power from the christo-islamic strangle hold, more reform has happened in India than perhaps any other nation (though I suppose China, after killing the second borns may have oficcially had faster reforms) India has a long way to go, but the Hinduness of India (compare to the muslimness of Pakistan - same genes, same culture, different predominant religion) has been the blessing that is trying to actually end the very things you are criticizing.
In the mean time do raise concerns for biblical hate of the Egyptian first borns, "god's" (more accurately - satan's) alliance with Cain, the god sanctioned genocide of Canaan, and then the hateful/wrathful god that created eternal damnation in the first place, the ridiculously easy "suffering" of jesus as a proxy human sacrifice to an evil god... But you may find, though these christo-islamic doctrines are not any longer practiced, they are doctrinal by the "word" of "god" that certainly must be seen as the curse of a demon. Now, please to quote where in the Hindu scriptures does God say it is ok to burn brides, believe in rigid caste, and to be corrupt government workers - unless you are just stereotyping for rhetoric's sake.
Of course the most corrupt nations are christian Africa (where they keep killing each other for belonging to the wrong church) or the middle east (say Pakistan) where they keep killing each other for belonging to the wrong mosque.
hariaum
Posted by: Navin1 | August 6, 2010 6:42 PM
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perhaps we need to bring up concerns for religiously condoned rape of african women in christian africa while we are at it. Sure, its not burning, but you know, then circumcision, then disfigurement, Or the destruction of culture after culture from Ireland, the Americas, to India, to China... by the enlightened soulfull christians of europe. Let me see, christian genocide of muslims was, that's right so many a 20 years ago in enlighened christian europe. Such lovely persons these christians, they do do their doctrine well - remember wipe out the canaanites, every man, woman, and child, or the king of kings will punish you, says that thing they call their god.
hariaum
Posted by: Navin1 | August 6, 2010 6:50 PM
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Navin1:
Thanks for your thoughtful articles. I am just wondering if I could, reading the hate-filled, ignorant rantings of the Christians, repeat Christ's last words, "O, Father forgive them for they do not know what they have done !".
But I cannot, I am a ordinary human being and not Jesus Christ. So, I refrain here out of respect for Christ.
Hari Om Tat Sat !
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 6, 2010 7:02 PM
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This actress has to grab on to something. Her divorce from Butch Cassidy, philandering fool, probably addled her mind.
Posted by: sperrico | August 6, 2010 7:54 PM
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Is America ready for Hinduism? As an African American familiar with a particular branch of the faith (Vaisnavism) and aware of contemporary India and the history of the caste system. I can only say I hope our country will never be ready for or interested in racist and bigoted Hinduism.
Ahimsa yes, Love of GodHead yes, respect for all life yes. But to paraphrase Gandhi in what he said about the West. Real East Indians who actually practice these values and respect all other peoples," Well that would be a good idea."
Posted by: gurudev16 | August 6, 2010 9:43 PM
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Gurudev16:
"Bigoted" Hinduism, huh ?! Ever heard of "scandalous Christianity", sans the message of Jesus Christ ?
Christianity entering its phase of moral bankruptcy may have prompted Julia Roberts, Richard Gere and likes to seek spiritual comfort in the Hindu/Buddhist way of life.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 6, 2010 10:39 PM
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I read a lot of ranting and ignorance here. Hinduism, called 'Dharma' in ancient India before foreign religions were brought to India by Invaders, is the collective name for hundreds of different faiths that have evolved within the borders of ancient Indian sub-continent (from Afghanistan to Assam, Nepal to Sri Lanka). Julia has adapted is probably adapted Vaishnavism. Readers must know that Buddha was a Hindu too, and what he preached is the Sankhya philosophy of Hinduism which was first taught by Rishi Kapila, in 800BCE, 250 years before Buddha. Terms like Moksha, Nirvana, Sanyas, Yoga (Meditation) are more than 5000 years old from the Vedas. Therefore Buddhists are also Hindus (followers of Indian religion)- they follow the ‘Dharma’ as preached by Gautama Buddha. Therefore Hinduism has the largest following in the world- 2.6 Billion. 85 % of India and 80% of China alone adds up to nearly 2.2 Billion. Add 90 to 96 % of Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and 10 to 20 % in many other countries and also Jainism and Sikhism. Christianity is followed by 2.1 Billion and Islam by 1.57 billion only. Now wake up to the realization that Julia Roberts has just joined the largest Club in the world- the followers of Indian religions.
The fact that the discovery of River Saraswati, which dried up 5000 years ago, and the fact that many hymns of the rig Veda were written on the banks of ‘Mighty’ Saraswati, dates the Rig Veda between 7000-8000 years. It took the river 2000 years to gradually dry up. Therefore the Vedic religion within Hinduism is the oldest by far, and the Indus Valley people, who wrote the Vedas spoke Sanskrit. When you say door (dwar), two (duo), three (tri), penta (pancha), sexa (sasta), septa (sapta), octa (ashta), nova (nava), deca (dasa),denta (danta), navigation (naao-vigyan), divine (deva/devi) etc, you are unknowingly speaking the language of Indus Valley Civilisation- that is Sanskrit, which was propagated all over the world. What is called Gnosticism is nothing but Hinduism/ Buddhism. Read!
OH YOU IGNORANT FOOLS! GET SOME KNOWLEDGE BEFORE RANTING!
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 6, 2010 11:13 PM
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There is ample evidence that Jesus was also a Buddhist n0n-violent monk.There are many preaching’s oh his which seem to be straight out of Hindu philosophy- when he preaches that his followers who have given away all their possession will achieve salvation (moksha), and the rich will find it as difficult to achieve salvation as a camel through the eye of a needle, he is preaching Hinduism/ Buddhism. In Mathew 10 he tells his followers to go to Galilee with no money or possession. That is the life style of Hindu/Buddhist monks who go about preaching Dharma. There are thousands of more similarities in Christianity to Hinduism, which are very different from Judaism. Buddha also preached against rituals, and promised his disciples the Kingdom of God (Nirvana) by leading an austere life style. Read about the Ebionites, and Essenes of Israel. They were connected to Jesus.
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 6, 2010 11:37 PM
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NICKMUKHERJEE:
Thanks for your posts. One error I noticed in your first post:
1. Rishi Kapila did not live around 250 BC. His name figures in the Bhagavad Gita. The war of Mahabharata was fought around 3102 BC, and thus Kapila predates before that time. Why was 3102 BC chosen ? It was not my calculation. But recent findings based on archaeo-astronomy results in that date. Some books by Richard L. Thompson (MYSTERIES OF THE SACRED UNIVERSE/ THE COSMOLOGY OF THE BHAGAVAD PURANA) also make that point more elaborate.
2. I must appreciate your right-minded defense against the fundamentalist Christians on this blog. Regarding whether Jesus Christ was a non-violent Buddhist monk, you could have done better by producing the source which makes very compelling speculations. The name of the book is:
Holger Kersten, JESUS LIVED IN INDIA: HIS UNKNOWN LIFE BEFORE AND AFTER CRUCIFIXION. Penguin, December 31, 2001.
(ISBN-13: 978-0143028291)
Thanks anyway for your spirited defense of Hinduism.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 7, 2010 12:04 AM
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I think she found a religion that classifies people into untouchables and touchables, divided them into castes levels so that higher castes can basically rule the lower castes, that hates its neighbouring country for its religion, that still shows deep rooted intolerance for people of other faiths, attactive than the one she has originally known. I think she should consider meditating in some Himalayan cave to get closer to God!
Posted by: FromTheSubContinent | August 7, 2010 12:07 AM
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Those who want to know how Buddhism spread to Europe and the Middle-East 250 years before Jesus must read about the Indo-Greek kings, Ashoka the Great of India, and the Thirteenth Rock Edict of Ashoka The Great of India, who spread Buddhism to Europe, Egypt, Persia, Sri Lanka, Far-East etc around 250BCE.
The Word Monk-monachos-muni (Sanskrit)and Gnosis- Gyan(Sanskrit) are further close to the Indian connection.
Also Europeans must remember up to 9000 years ago there was ice-age in Europe for 25,000 years. Lookup Mehrgarh where the Sindhu(Indus/Indica/ India/Hindu/Hindustan)-Saraswati River Valley Civilization flourished in 7000 BCE, 9000 years ago. After Ice started melting people from the Sindhu-Saraswati valley may have gradually moved north to Central Asia and onwards to Europe, giving rise to the Indo-European languages. Another clue of Indian influence is the Vedic/ Sanskrit names of a large number of countries in Asia and central Asia- ‘sthan’ (means land in Sanskrit
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 7, 2010 12:26 AM
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DebBhattacharjee,
Good to hear from you! Regarding your comments:
1. I wrote Kapila lived around 800BCE according to some scholars. He lived 250 years BEFORE Buddha, who lived in 550 BCE approx. Now he may hve lived earlier, possibly. Buddha's Capital city was named after him- Kapila Vastu (Kapil’s Town).
2. I don't know whether Jesus travelled East. It is quite possible- because one of the greatest Indo-Greek Universities was situated in Taxila- present day Pakistan. He may have travelled there for ‘world class education’. On the other hand Buddhism may have travelled to him. The life style of Essenes is almost identical to Buddhist monks and monasteries. The 13th rock edict of Ashoka clearly mentions that the 'Dharma was spread to those regions by him, and in fact his daughter Sanghamitra.
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 7, 2010 12:49 AM
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FromTheSubContinent (Pakistani?)
About untouchability in India, it was a kind of slavery. The low castes were not discriminated because of their skin-colour, like it was in America even 100 years ago. The Sudras were slaves of the Upper-castes in India. They were possibly tribals, or some underdeveloped communities in ancient India, or defeated people/ race.
Worst atrocities have been done by the Romans and the Greek in Europe against slaves. Even Jesus or Paul did not try to ban slavery. Slaves were servants, and you could not do without them. Nor did they try to free them from bondage, like Muhammad did when they accepted his faith. Although Muslims were allowed to have as many ‘women their right hand possessed’ (sex-slaves) as they could afford. All defeated people- their women and children became slave of the Muslims. Most of the Pakistani/Indian Muslims must have been descendants of slaves of the few thousand invaders of India from Midle-East or poor people who wanted to support the foreigners for food,money or their life.
It was only a recently that slavery was banned in the west. India Buddha, Mahavira and countless Hindu preachers tried to ban slavery-caste system 2500 years ago. There was no caste system during the Vedic time- or at least it was not rigid.
Today caste-discrimination is punishable with stiff sentences. The Brahmins- the highest caste in India are some of the poorest people in India.
Keep reading and enlightening the world.
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 7, 2010 1:10 AM
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DebChatterjee, sorry I wrote debbhattacharjee. But I am sure you won't mind much.
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 7, 2010 1:21 AM
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Why should her religious beliefs matter to anyone except herself? Some things should be, and are, private.
Posted by: DOBRYDN | August 7, 2010 1:38 AM
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first of all hindusim is not a religion..and so thier is no conversion..conversions are only in man made religions..so abhrahmic faiths converts not us..infact 'Hindu' word was given to Indians by invaders..our ancient books don't have a word called 'Hindu'..maybe Julia just like the exoticness like many americans & westerners..If anyone has free thoughts and rationalism he/ she is a so called Hindu...I'll just give one example the longest epic 'the MAHABHARAT'is the best form of human rationalism..from 5000 BC onwards, their r no commandmants etc. it's all rationalism..pls read the book (The Difficulty of Being Good : On the Subtle Art of Dharma by Gurcharan Das)
Someone mentiones Hindus represent poverty..that was very kiddish..not only we ruled the world till 16-17 century in trade..but inspite been occupied by Muslim forces for 800 yrs and then by Christian forces for 300 yrs..we did not lose our rationalism and integrity. For example the eastern rome (the byzantine) was under muslim occupation 1450 onwards and today its a muslim country. The south & north americans natives civilisation was destroyed by the church and now they are christian countries.
And someone talked about castism and widow burning etc. I can only say that if u read books of history to find those isolated incidents..you're probably living in denial. No one mentioned the technological advancment we discovred 1000 yrs before any european could..infact all the free thinkers in europe was condemed by the church and men & women were burned alive just because they challeged the bible..
But Julia Roberts, I don't know how long her so called Hindu phase last..
Posted by: lokatya | August 7, 2010 3:46 AM
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when you don't respect "Mother Earth", how can you get into Hinduism. "Mother Earth" is real.
"Word of Earth on that".
Posted by: mhadrick | August 7, 2010 5:37 AM
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what part of hinduism allow baby girls to be killed at birth...
because their fathers would have to give a dowry when they marry...
Posted by: DwightCollins | August 7, 2010 6:16 AM
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POSTED BY: CENTERGLOBAL | AUGUST 6, 2010 2:03 PM
Sate system developed during Islamic rule when women were brutally taken after their husbands' death in the battlefield. Sattee was the only way they could avoid degradation of mass rape.
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Where did you read this garbage? Aristobulus of Alexandria, who traveled in Alexander's army to India, wrote about Sati. It was very common in North India for centuries before Islam began. For that matter, the two rulers before the British who tried to ban Sati were Akbar and Aurangzeb, rather definitely Muslim.
Posted by: DCObserver1 | August 7, 2010 7:25 AM
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The comments on this article are not reflective of the majority of Christians. Except the right wingers who are abusing religion and patriotism, you'll find right wingers among Muslims, Hindus, Jews and others act the same.
However, an overwhelming majority of Americans are moving away from exclusive claims to God and accommodating different systems of beliefs including Hinduism. If one looks beyond the rituals, Hinduism is as divine and beautiful as any other religion. You have to have an open mind to see it.
A survey is definitely warranted.
America is indeed getting ready to embrace Hinduism; it does not mean every one will become Hindu, as not every one will become a Baha’i, Muslim or a Buddhist.
It simply means accommodating Hinduism in Public Square without opposing. The negative attitudes are fading and positiveness towards the otherness of other is emerging.
Mike Ghouse
www.MikeGhouse.net
Posted by: mikeghouse | August 7, 2010 7:55 AM
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Just another stunt to increase sales? The so-called cultural elite has tried it before. Even the hippies did. To do something outrageous, and thus increase the profile, they emrace a seemingly "benign" religion like Hinduism. The curious ones will be advised to use some caution. Ask the non-Hindu minorities living in India, like Christians, Sikhs, and Muslims. Read about the anti-Sikh riots of Delhi, the destruction of Babri mosque, or the mass killing of Muslims in Gujrat in which the Hindu police participated. Read an unbiased view about the human rights abuses in Kashmir. Even do a search about the twenty first century untouchables, infanticide of female fetuses, and the killing of those who try to cross the centuries old barriers of caste by marrying into the wrong caste. Good luck Julia!
Posted by: jadapema | August 7, 2010 8:52 AM
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Just another stunt to increase sales? The so-called cultural elite has tried it before. Even the hippies did. To do something outrageous, and thus increase the profile, they emrace a seemingly "benign" religion like Hinduism. The curious ones will be advised to use some caution. Ask the non-Hindu minorities living in India, like Christians, Sikhs, and Muslims. Read about the anti-Sikh riots of Delhi, the destruction of Babri mosque, or the mass killing of Muslims in Gujrat in which the Hindu police participated. Read an unbiased view about the human rights abuses in Kashmir. Even do a search about the twenty first century untouchables, infanticide of female fetuses, and the killing of those who try to cross the centuries old barriers of caste by marrying into the wrong caste. Good luck Julia!
Posted by: jadapema | August 7, 2010 8:57 AM
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As long as she's not a follower of Kali (who likes human sacrifices), she's at least not an atheist. God willing and with her cooperation, she will be drawn by the Holy Spirit to have eternal-life-giving faith in the Way, the Truth, and the Life: Jesus Christ.
Posted by: DoTheRightThing | August 7, 2010 9:42 AM
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Jadapema:
These facts are for your bigotry:
1. India is the only country that practices equality. The highest levels of political levers currently are controlled by minorities: a female president who is a successor to a Muslim president, a Sikh Prime Minister, a female Christian leader of the majority party. Now would even the most emancipated, human-rights obsessed USA have got all the three ? (We are seeing the disdain from a section of the American because after the slavery was abolished a black has been elected as a president.)
2. Regarding Kashmir's human rights abuses, I would say that you are ignorant as a primate who makes such assertions. If Kashmir is a problem, then in theory Texas is also a problem. Lyndon Johnson is on record saying that Texas was forcibly stolen from Mexico. The call for human rights abuses is quite clamorous when it comes to Muslims; nobody raises a voice about the 250,000 Kashmiri Hindu Pandits who were butchered in the hands of Muslim militants funded and morally supported by Pakistan. Also, Muslim leaders in India have rejected the secession of Kashmir from India because they have stated that Muslims are far better off in India than in Pakistan. Azad Kashmir (PoK) wants to merge with India. Recent elections have shown that Muslims in Kashmir want to stay with India. Now if the LeT-backed Jihadists are fomenting trouble by threatening the Muslims in Kashmir it is a separate issue.
3. India should, in all senses, hate Pakistan and should have bombed that country of rascals back to the stone age. This is in remembrance of the November 26, 2008 scenario when armed Muslim militants supported by the Lashkar-e-Tayyiba of Pakistan and whose spiritual leader Hafez Saeed blessed them to initiate mindlessly bloody pogrom in Mumbai. If it had been USA and say found out that Mexican government was sending terrorists inside USA, USA would have bombed Mexico. India has shown tremendous restraint (interpreted as cowardice) in refraining from doing so.
The above has nothing to do with Hinduism or Julia Roberts being a Hindu. I just wanted to set the facts straight so that you can benefit by increasing your knowledge and climb down the tree of ignorance back to earth.
Get a life !
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 7, 2010 9:42 AM
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Christianity is becoming a bankrupt religion. Europe has rejected Christianity almost wholly. The percentage of practicing Christians is diminishing. In USA Reverend Pat Robertson, Franlin Graham, Jerry Falwell and others have tried their best to uphold Christianity by mud slinging at other faiths. Hinduism has received its share of hatred and bigotry from the fundamentalist American preachers and proselytizers. Some years ago the Southern Baptist church issued a statement that they want to bring the lost souls of the Hindus back to the light. Well, such insulting statements show the reverse: indeed Christianity is a bankrupt religion. Most organized religions are morally bankrupt. So, to stay in business these religious leaders have taken it upon themselves to flex muscle by condeming other religions and societies. Christianity in USA is now mostly about sexual abuse of boys by priests. It is thriving on hatred of others and have abandoned the path of compassion and love shown by Jesus Christ two thousand years ago. Thus, this present brand of Christianity as in USA shall eventually evaporate because of the departure from the path of the righteous.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 7, 2010 9:51 AM
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'America is indeed getting ready to embrace Hinduism; it does not mean every one will become Hindu, as not every one will become a Baha’i, Muslim or a Buddhist.'
Our brief time as a nation of freethinkers and independent non-joiners seems to be a thing of the distant past. Everyone these days has got to belong to some kind of organization of another - the religiously inclined need the familiarity of the group. It's more about joining, believing. and belonging. Julia Roberts equals pious hokem, in the context presented here.
Real knowledge is very much harder to acquire, and sometimes less satisfying in the short run......the explosion of interest in what passes in the predominently Christian USA for 'novelty religions' is nothing new.
The non-religious student of life's mysteries continue to go about their way, seldom making the evening news.
Posted by: persiflage | August 7, 2010 9:59 AM
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*****Where did you get these figures? There is no GDP data for France or England until the 19th century.*****
Watch PBS documentary "The Story of India" by Michael Woods. He told the same. A reputed source like PBS would not broadcast something which was not well-researched. He says that India was the second largest economy in the world till late 18th century.
India remained economic powerhouse till the advent of the British.
You should also not lose sight of the fact that India was constant target of foreign invasion precisely because of riches. The phrase "riches of India" was a common buzzword in Alexander's time, when Hinduism was at its best. Go read the ancient works of Arrian, the Greek historian. Also do not forget it was attracted by the riches of India that Columbus set out to discover it and ended by discovering America instead.
Obviously the link between Hinduism and poverty is the desperate ploy of aggressive Christian evangelists who want to prevent objective scrutiny of this great faith in America. They want to keep Hinduism in the doghouse of stereotypes and vicious propaganda which was started by their imperialist allies in era of colonialism.
In Hinduism , the pursuit of wealth is not considered evil but it is sublimated by making yoked with the idea of Dharma (sacred duty). The righteous accumulation of wealth , ie. "Artha" is one of the 4 cornerstone values of Hindu ethics. Other three are Kama, Dharma , Moksha. Moksha (spirituality ) is on top and Kama (physical pleaures) is at the bottom.
All of Hinduism's great avatars were philosopher kings leading a life of spiritual and material fulfilment. Krishna, Rama, Janaka, etc were all kings and had positive attitude toward righteous accumulation of wealth.
If somebody is interested in reading how British raped this great civilization econimically, they are called on to read the book by famous historian Will Durant called "A Case for India." This book was written in 1930s and was banned by British colonialists because it exposed, employing hard economic data, how Great Britain turned this economic powershouse into a slum by systematic transfer of wealth to England and destruction of the local industry in India.
India has been free for only 60 odd years. It will take it sometime to recover from economic legacy of colonial rule.
Posted by: KingPorus | August 7, 2010 11:37 AM
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I request all comment writers... please don't be a extremist. I accept only one religion in this world..We all are Human Beings. No any religion is best or worst. We all are human beings and we all are best. I love all religions. I support Julia Robert since I'm of opinion that we should try to acquire whatever best others have. Don't think it is from Hindu religion or from Christian. As I'm Hindu, I love christian religion whatever best they have and I'm ready to acquire it. Never looking by religion point of view.
Since All we know whatever today terrorist activities going on throught the world are due to extremist thinking by followers of some religions....Actually we cant say them followers of any religion..Best term for them is terrorists....So in summary what i want to say Don't to be a extremist...Try to be Liberal if you want peaceful future..
Love you all.....
From
Dr. Sambhaji G Chavhan
BVSc&AH, MVSc(Pathology)
Veterinary Pathologist
From Nagpur, Maharashtra (India)
Posted by: drsam24183 | August 7, 2010 11:38 AM
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Though it is hardly matter what Julia or Lindsay does in their private life. But just to clarify:
Is not American public school system doing same what Caste System in India has been doing? It keeps the children of poor people in 'bad schools' to make it hard for them to leave the trap of poverty or the professions their parents are in.
Sati is missionary's most favored word to describe Hinduism, but Sati started when Moslem from west (around 700 AD) were invading India. After the death of male members of the family, women and children of ruling families were forced either to be members of big Haram (herd of mistresses and wives; young men were made impotent to keep just eye on these women ) and slaves or to die.
Most of westerners or even Indians are ignorant, they think Taj Mahal is a symbol of love, But Mumtaj was only one among 1000s of mistresses of Shahjahan, the men who got killed his brothers and imprisoned his father to be king.
Posted by: matrikmr1 | August 7, 2010 11:40 AM
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Deb Chatterjee:
Nice to see your posts once again. I have changed the sign off name from Dave to ARKNS (ends in Namah Sivaya)!
The defense of Hinduism is factual but I think some of them are needlessly negative on Christianity. A good defense on Hinduism can be mounted without negative references to Christianity. On the contrary, I think there are a lot of common meeting points between Christianity and Hinduism. I harbor no negatives about it. But I agree that the Christian right in this country as elsewhere are very poor representatives of Christianity and gives that religion a bad name.
Posted by: arkns | August 7, 2010 11:52 AM
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I feel annoyed when people talk about Hinduism as if only caste system defines it. You people are so wrong. Of course caste system in the middle ages was used to show more power amongst the upper classes, but the real reason for the caste system was division of labor amongst people with proper balance. For example, once a farmer, was always a farmer, once a blacksmith, was always a blacksmith. People would not allow a farmer to become a blacksmith because if he did, there would be 1 less farmer and 1 more blacksmith, which would create imbalance in the society. See what is happening in India now? It seems everyone wants to go to call centers now, by ignoring what their fathers and forefathers did for a living. That is why you see so many people with bachelor degrees driving auto-rickshaws now. I feel pity for them. So, as wrong it might seem, caste system isn't too bad. It is bad now because people used it to get more power amongst society.
Posted by: ShArQ1 | August 7, 2010 12:19 PM
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Hinduism teaches the Absolute Truth and Universal laws that transcends all forms of consciousness including that of non-living things. Hence Hinduism existed even before the Universe was created. It is based on the "Experience of the Truth" rather than a mere Belief. The "Spiritual Journey" towards this Experience could be many, but the final destination of the Experience is the same. Hence there are many paths to truth and each chooses one that is most suitable as per his spiritual evolution at that point of time. Those who know this reality are fortunate and those who fully understand it are blessed. Julia Roberts is blessed and her decision is another step in her spiritual evolution. Only 1 in a million make that step.
Welcome Julia to Hinduism - Sanathana Dharma (The Eternal Religion)
Posted by: arunag | August 7, 2010 1:10 PM
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Legally, 'Hindu' is the blanket name for any person professing any faith that has its origin in india . The beliefs of some hindus are irrational, as irrational as belief in a virgin mother and angels and resurrection. However the central thread of the Bhagvad geeta is unparalleled in its message of an all pervading God and right conduct,and so convincing is the message that Hindus don't need to brainwash themselves every friday or Sunday to believe it. They are not too fussed up about idol worship as they believe God pervades the idols too, nor do they look upon people of other faiths as the enemy as God is the others too. Instead of judging others, the religion calls for self realization. Social customs like the caste system are not part of the Dharma (religion) of Bhagvad geeta . However they are deeply entrenched in society. Fortunately, a person can remain a hindu even if he doesn't accept the caste system. All he needs to believe in is "as you sow, so you reap" -the karma theory.
, whose adherents deny any connection to the parent religion of hinduism
Posted by: karmayogi | August 7, 2010 1:24 PM
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Hinduism is gaining rapid acceptance in the N.America and Europe. This is because of its rational and scientific approach to the concept of GOD rather than on a approach based on a Belief System.
http://www.newsweek.com/2009/08/14/we-are-all-hindus-now.html
The West being already on the crest of prosperity and affluence, many are increasingly looking inwards for the inner peace and answers to questions based on rational reasoning. Hinduism offers all answers to the most complex spiritual questions and offers a path based on self-experience of the Truth. This is why it is getting popular in intellectual societies.
Posted by: arunag | August 7, 2010 1:31 PM
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I am a practicing Hindu and I have no issues with Julia Roberts embracing Hinduism if she did it of her own volition and no Hindu suggested she convert.
We Hindus are against proselytizing because that would mean we look down upon someone's else path to God.
When Lord Krishna, God Incarnate, came down to earth He told us in no uncertain terms that all paths, if sincerely followed, lead to Him, the Supreme Lord.
Hindus should not stoop to the levels of some other faiths that are forever trying to convert others to their faith and in doing so only demean their faith.
Posted by: jailkkhosla | August 7, 2010 1:40 PM
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The universality of Hinduism comes from the fact that Hinduism speaks to the entire humanity, it sees the entire humanity as one family.
"Vasudeva Kutumbukam: Rig Veda" meaning the whole world is one family......
There are many messengers of God who deliver the Truth in varied ways depending on the place and time and the people to whom it is being delivered. This is the same way a Professor of Physics while speaking about the Theory of Relativity will use a different language depending upon to whom he is explaining to - Kindergarten, primary, high school, univeristy or PhD students in Physics.
Hinduism is the most rational philosophy so much so that many great western philosophers like Schopenhauer, Kent, Einstein etc had the highest regard and respect for it.
Posted by: arunag | August 7, 2010 1:58 PM
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As the world becomes more and more democratic and civilized, they will be attracted to Eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. These religions have been around 500 to 3000 BC. They do not preach violence, do not aggressively convert people, believe in self realization, meditation, yoga and peace. Like any religion, there are some issues with these religions and they are modernizing themselves.
Posted by: ak1967 | August 7, 2010 2:21 PM
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If we can learn to respect the otherness of other and accept the God given uniquenesss of each one of us, then conflicts fade and solutions emerge.
1. No religion preaches violence, it is not in the text books, you do hear from hearsay to hearsay.
2. All religions are beautiful, practioners tend to be wrong, and they are in every religion.
The discussion is about is America Ready for Hinduism, it is indeed ready. where do you come up with all the other things that has no bearing to the topic?
Mike Ghouse
www.MikeGhouse.net
Posted by: mikeghouse | August 7, 2010 2:58 PM
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The postings by some right-wing hindus on this board is a serious cause of concern. Brushing aside sati and caste system encouraged by religious dictates will not make it go away. Better to acknowledge one's deficiencies and move on rather than ignore it or vilify others - and instead, saying "the devil made me do it", worse to say, "my neighbor made me do it". Think outside of the box, I believe that's what Julia is trying to do - even though it may not lead her to the desired destination.
Posted by: Kingofkings1 | August 7, 2010 2:58 PM
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I am a US citizen, born Hindu in India.
When I was a kid my parents taught me many shlokas(Hindu prayers). They believed it would calm my mind and help me develop my powers of concentration and memory.
But in my teens India's college system was torturing me mentally. I would study through the night to prepare for the exams and do well, but was being humiliated continously by the Hindus operating the system. My health was also poor since my asthma was out of control. Now I know that the problem was with them(the university officials), not me. Their education system was very poor in quality,with a lot of mindless rote learning and useless learning material. But the experience turned into a non-believer. There could not be a God in a world with so much mental and physical suffering.
I immigrated to the US almost three decades ago. I read Einstein's book 'The World as I see it' and did not feel alone as a non-believer any more. I have been an agnostic for many years now. Work in America is complex and I don't have the mental space for nonsensical and arbitrary religious concepts.
I moved to Santa Barbara,not far from LA to work on my first job in the US when 'Pretty Woman' was released. My thoughts about Julia Poberts when I saw the movie were anything but holy. Hindus(or Hindu born like me) are human like everyone else. Angelina Jolie and the contemporary Hollywood lady actors don't interest me,nor does Julia. I don't plan to watch Julia's movie.
Julia may be trying to get publicity to promote her latest movie,shot in India though.
Though I am agnostic, Hindu society has a scholarly,inellectual and peaceful tradition that is adapting to modern society which values both education and yoga. I support those in my family and friends circle who are strong believers. I also wish my Christian and Muslim friends and colleagues well.
To thine own self be true.
Posted by: calm1 | August 7, 2010 3:40 PM
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Is America ready to embrace Hinduism ?
No it is not. America is Christian and wary of other religions. It is all very evident in the politics surrounding abortion and the comments in the media calling Hindus names. Joel Stein ridiculed Hindus in TIME recently, in effect calling Indians morons for believing in an Elephant God. Hindu temples have been vandalized by haters. Anti-immigrant feeling in America is very strong and anti-Hinduism and Anti-Indianism is part of it.America has a mix of xenophobia, paranoia, anti-Hinduism and anti-Indianism and they are indistinguishable from one another. Religious freedom and freedom for immigrants has a long way to go in America. Hindus in America are just treated like 'hippies' and shunned by society.
Posted by: calm1 | August 7, 2010 3:55 PM
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This blog has been an amusing reading. All the christian zealots have come out in droves with their criticisms and their views of "TRUTHINESS" of chritianity(Borrowed from that philospher Steven Colber". All the hindhu zealots have come out in praise of their religion its superiority. As far as I a concerned she has just trade one set of skydaddy myths for another set of skydaddys' (given the plethora of skydaddys in hinduism) myths. Does not impress me none, still delude by different skydadies, that all. There is also lot of talk about evolution of the religions. This troubles me all regions make the claim that their values are eternal and moral. Why then a need need for them to evolve? This is an utter contradiction, as evolution by definition means it is not eternal. In the process of evolution, there ought to be some redaction, and some additions. Consequently the redactions are certainly not eternal and likewise the additions are not either. How then one claim their religions are eternal.
Conceding that religion evolves is tantamount to accepting the secular argument that ethics and morality evolve and i generally a consensual outcome of a society at large.
Posted by: Secular | August 7, 2010 3:58 PM
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KingofKings1 wrote;
"Brushing aside sati and caste system encouraged by religious dictates will not make it go away. "
Nobody is brushing it aside. Sati and caste system are a part of Hindu society, and has nothing to do with religion.
And, FYI,
1. Sati was legally banned by the British in late 1700's with the initiation by a Bengali Hindu king from Bengal, Raja Rammohun Roy. However people don't care even if it is banned; some backward caste people even practice it with its attendant perversions. If it were a formal part of a "Hindu religion", it could not have been banned. (Just as you cannot ban Navaratri, Holi or Durga Puja festivals. They are religious ones.)
2. Caste system, unfortunately still exists and most political parties take advantage out of it. It is an evil that does appear to survive with much stubborness. It has withstood many assaults. However because it [evil] exists for thousands of years, does not mean its practice of discrimination is right.
However to quip: which society does not have its own ills and evils ? Doesn't the Christian society in USA and in the West have rampant problems of sexual infidelity, homosexuality, fetus killing [abortion], child molestation by priests, extreme selfishness, and the champions of western "virtue" [?] always make it a point to denigrate the Eastern cultures/religions ? Hypocritical as it may appear, these self-appointed stalwarts (such as the right-wing politicians in USA, waving the virtue flag) often get caught with their pants down. [Mark Sanford of South Carolina is an example.] Often these virtuous hypocrites forget that "people in glasshouses should not throw stones".
Amen !
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 7, 2010 4:14 PM
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Secular:
Evolution is eternal. Knowledge evolves. Spirituality is knowledge. Religion is a man-made codification of what humans collectively think is right about a particular strand of spirituality. Thus, religion [meaning religious practices] change because humans over time improve/adapt the practices/rituals based on acquiring improved knowledge. So, yes religion evolves and the formal process of its evolution is thus pretty normal.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 7, 2010 4:19 PM
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Oh, sure. She's not really just another celebrity airhead — she's theologically deep!
Posted by: thebump | August 7, 2010 4:46 PM
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Ninety-nine percent of Westerners who claim to follow some Eastern tradition or other are idiots. Roberts would fall in that category.
Posted by: thebump | August 7, 2010 4:53 PM
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Thebump:
You have any independently verifiable proof that the eastern tradition-following westerners are idiots ? Or is this another redneck bamboozlement ?
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 7, 2010 4:59 PM
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I would like to remind all readers that Julia Roberts is not the first celebrity to adopt Hinduism (Indian religion). Many years back George Harrison (Beatles fame) joined the ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness), also known as the ‘Hare Krishna movement’, who are spread all over the world, except Islamic countries. His huge country estate near London is today a sprawling farm and Temple. After his death he was cremated and his ashes were taken to the Ganges River, according to his wishes.
More recently Steven Seagal became a Hindu (Buddhism is also an Indian religion, and therefore Hinduism). Many more famous personalities were followers of Osho or 'Bhagwan Rajneesh'. It s happens that India has been a 'fertile land' for spirituality like no other, and people form far and wide have got inspired by Hindu Philosophy.
I would like to quote Mr Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA: "India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border. ... There are perhaps very few nations in the world with the enormous variety that India has to offer. ..."
Now also let me remind readers that Buddhist monks preached Hindu (Indian) spirituality in East and the West through non-violence, unlike Spanish Conquistadors French and English Crusaders. In Southern France 20,000 innocent Cathars were slaughtered under orders from Pope Innocent in a single day, during the Middle Ages. The Cathars believed in a theology similar to Hindu/ Buddhists. Then there were the Manichaeans who believed Buddha and Jesus were both 'enlightened ones'. There was time when Manichaeanism was wide-spread all over the Middle East, Egypt and Europe. St Augustine belonged to that faith. Regarding the spread of Islam in the world, Pope Benedict was spot on when he said that Islam was spread by the sword. Incidentally, even after 1000 years of alien rule in India there are still 85% Hindus. Our fore fathers persevered through tremendous odds, to maintain such a high percentage, keeping in mind that countries like Egypt, Iraq, Persia, and Turkey are predominantly Muslim today. We must thank our forefathers for their sacrifices against inhuman Barbarian invaders who tried to destroy our culture.
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 7, 2010 6:50 PM
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I would love it if Stevan Seagal would kindly catch THEBUMP by his frigging neck and kick his arse for insulting him by calling all 99% admireres of Eastern religions, idiots. I hope THEBUMP now, afraid of his arse getting battered does not say that Steven Seagal is in the 1% exception.
Steven Seagal was my absolute hero. I wonder why no new films of his is being released. I hope his health is fine.
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 7, 2010 7:06 PM
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And one more thought occured to me. Christianity is also an Eastern religion that was actually hijacked by the Romans from the Judaeo Christians. So THEBUMP get your facts right before opening our trap, mate!
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 7, 2010 7:09 PM
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Deb Chatterjee, you wrote, "Evolution is eternal. Knowledge evolves. Spirituality is knowledge. Religion is a man-made codification of what humans collectively think is right about a particular strand of spirituality. Thus, religion [meaning religious practices] change because humans over time improve/adapt the practices/rituals based on acquiring improved knowledge. So, yes religion evolves and the formal process of its evolution is thus pretty normal".
1) I don't mean to be too knit picking, but knowledge does not always evolve. Often it throws out the whole kit caboodle and starts from scratch.
2) I don't know what spirituality is. If you are going by the etymology of the word spirit, then it is all delusion. So i cannot agree to your equating knowledge to spirituality. Knowledge is wht you find in books of mathematics, physics, chemistry, etc, etc.
3) I agree with you that religion is man made, wholeheartedly. I was critiquing the claims of religionists that theirs is eternal, god given, etc, etc. I was showing the contradiction in their claim.
4) I agree with you that religions evolve and perhaps improve. That improvement has nothing to do with the delusion called dog. The evolution for the better is mainly die the zeitgeist engendered by the secular humanist world.
5) That said there is on balance more harm done by them than good, due the delusion believed by the adherents and feel compelled to do harm.
Posted by: Secular | August 7, 2010 7:39 PM
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Calm 1 Wrote:
I am a US citizen, born Hindu in India.
When I was a kid my parents taught me many shlokas(Hindu prayers). They believed it would calm my mind and help me develop my powers of concentration and memory.
But in my teens India's college system was torturing me mentally. I would study through the night to prepare for the exams and do well, but was being humiliated continously by the Hindus operating the system. My health was also poor since my asthma was out of control. Now I know that the problem was with them(the university officials), not me. Their education system was very poor in quality,with a lot of mindless rote learning and useless learning material. But the experience turned into a non-believer. There could not be a God in a world with so much mental and physical suffering.
I immigrated to the US almost three decades ago. I read Einstein's book 'The World as I see it' and did not feel alone as a non-believer any more. I have been an agnostic for many years now. Work in America is complex and I don't have the mental space for nonsensical and arbitrary religious concepts.
I moved to Santa Barbara,not far from LA to work on my first job in the US when 'Pretty Woman' was released. My thoughts about Julia Poberts when I saw the movie were anything but holy. Hindus(or Hindu born like me) are human like everyone else. Angelina Jolie and the contemporary Hollywood lady actors don't interest me,nor does Julia. I don't plan to watch Julia's movie.
Julia may be trying to get publicity to promote her latest movie,shot in India though.
Though I am agnostic, Hindu society has a scholarly,inellectual and peaceful tradition that is adapting to modern society which values both education and yoga. I support those in my family and friends circle who are strong believers. I also wish my Christian and Muslim friends and colleagues well.
To thine own self be true.
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Please go on, I believe you have more to contribute
Posted by: Kingofkings1 | August 7, 2010 8:43 PM
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isn't the whole concept of religion and aren't the religious here delightful?
Posted by: areyousaying | August 7, 2010 9:18 PM
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mind your own business....go primp, pray, pretend, pose and pimp with your own on Saturday and Sunday and leave Julia and the rest of us alone...you're religiosity is annoying, arrogant and intrusive...
Posted by: areyousaying | August 7, 2010 9:20 PM
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Anything that reduces the Christian Taliban's domination of America is a good development.
Posted by: Religulosity | August 7, 2010 11:01 PM
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"Until 1600's, India had the largest GDP in the world, and China and India had 2/3 of the GDP, until these countries got occupied by others by force. Going forward, things will change. That is the history of humanity.
POSTED BY: AK1967"
Where did you get these figures? There is no GDP data for France or England until the 19th century.
Posted by: garrafa10 | August 6, 2010
Yes, we all are surprised. It is based on data published by some famous economic historians - you may like to refer to BBC. Is is said that 20% of the richest Indians were richer than the richest Europeans. However, Hindu Brahmins led a pious and impoverished life in their single-minded pursuit of knowledge. Abject poverty in India is a post-Muslim, post-British legacy.
Posted by: dbdeb2010 | August 7, 2010 11:20 PM
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Yes, we all are surprised. It is based on data published by some famous economic historians - you may like to refer to BBC. Is is said that 20% of the richest Indians were richer than the richest Europeans. However, Hindu Brahmins led a pious and impoverished life in their single-minded pursuit of knowledge. Abject poverty in India is a post-Muslim, post-British legacy.
Posted by: dbdeb2010 | August 7, 2010 11:20 PM
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Interesting observation about the brahmins - they were the creme de la creme of the traditional hindu society; their presence necessary for performing prayers, rituals, and weddings, funerals, etc. and brahmins received their legitimacy to benefit from the "lower" castes in society from the dogmas of hindu religion: if you behave and work diligently as a member of your caste, you have the possibility of being re-incarnated in the higher caste after you die. Among other productive sources of incomes, the brahmins obtained additional income from the jewelry of the the widows who were burned with their husbands' corpse. The current hindu traditions differ from the earlier hindu traditions, but if I were a brahmin, I would sure miss the good old days. As for Julia Roberts, she is going in as a higher caste member from the start; what could she hope to be reincarnated as in the next life?
Posted by: Kingofkings1 | August 7, 2010 11:51 PM
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I'm not surprised given the speed with which America has accepted the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and its epic gospel, The Pastafarian Quatrains. Alas, as is the case for many Pastafarians, embraced faith is easily worn on the sleeve, or around the neck like circus jewelry.
Posted by: joncsmith3 | August 8, 2010 12:02 AM
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All religion is pure and utter BS.
Posted by: bendan2000 | August 8, 2010 12:06 AM
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****if you behave and work diligently as a member of your caste, you have the possibility of being re-incarnated in the higher caste after you die. ****
This is a standard caricature of Hindu teachings. Nowhere Hinduism says people in non-Brahmin castes can't obtain Moksha. Almost all incarnation of God came in non-Brahmin bodies except a couple.
Yoga Vashishtha says even an outcaste can be enlightened. If such a soul is found, they are to be honored like anybody else.
Hindus do not live to be reborn in higher castes. The spiritual works consists in seeking liberation from rebirth itself.
Medieval Hindu saints like Ravidas, Kabir, etc all came from lower castes and yet Hindus of call castes revere them.
Posted by: KingPorus | August 8, 2010 12:36 AM
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Julia Roberts joining Hinduism? who cares? Anyway it is better than joining Scientology or kabbalah.
These kind of changing religion is only a fashion statement. They join Hindisim today, leave it tomorrow, join another one later...
It is only good for the Hindutva ideolgy for some propaganda. They will feel good when a white man joined their lot. If it was an African American, I doubt if they were as much happy. (Hindutva is a new ideology like fascism which wants a Hindu country in India)
Anyway, Ms Roberts will soon find that Hinduism is no better with its superstitions, worhip of numerous gods, rituals and more..
Posted by: ggjey123 | August 8, 2010 1:00 AM
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I fail to understand what is this practising Hindu mean? Going to the temple to worship some god, including elephant god or monkey god?
What else are they doing special, compared to a Christian or Muslim? I have not seen anything, though I come from India.
Posted by: ggjey123 | August 8, 2010 1:11 AM
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I would much rather have a Hindu sweetheart than an Islamic president.
Posted by: mike85 | August 8, 2010 1:32 AM
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POSTED BY: CENTERGLOBAL | AUGUST 6, 2010 2:03 PM
as someone else have commented, this is indeed a load of garbage, CENTERGLOBAL. but let's hear from where you read and know of this information.
and since you have decided to go Hindu, keep track of your life - make sure the road to the end is also PEACEFUL. i wish you & your Muslim wife well.
Posted by: reece28 | August 8, 2010 4:59 AM
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Yonkers, New York
08 August 2010
A swallow, even a pretty swallow like Julia Roberts, doesn't make a summer.
So what if she converts to Hinduism? She is perfectly free to do that. Any American is free to convert from Catholicism to Hinduism, or to Buddhism, or to Shintoism--or to any other religious "ism" for that matter.
Or even from any of the above to atheism--of which there are now some 42 million in the United States.
That's the beauty of these United States with its freedom of religion, or non-religion.
If later on Julia Roberts decides to convert to, say, Shintoism, she is of course free to do so. No sweat!
Mariano Patalinjug
Posted by: MPatalinjug | August 8, 2010 4:59 AM
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All these comments reflect one thing and one thing only: How the people and the editors of this paper are close minded, bigoted and a bunch of lunatics. At the end of our lives, it does not matter whether we are Hindus, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Zorastrians.....we will be judged by the deeds we have done! One last comment: Could not give a rat's ass about Julia Roberts and her personal choices!
Posted by: shoma1 | August 8, 2010 6:37 AM
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@woolrichwascool and others who like to comment without knowing the facts. Sati (burning of widows) is a practice by some communities in India and it's not a Hinduism belief. It is believed it could have started because women in those days never married once widowed and they started to practice 'Sati' to avoid being sexually abused or bear other social troubles.
Posted by: spolina | August 8, 2010 6:38 AM
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American Christians are often upset when other Americans choose to change religions away from Christianity. Unfortunately those who are angry at such religious change are more racist or bigotted then they care to admit.
Who cares what religion anyone is? Don't founding American documents require no preference based on Race, creed, etc.?
American Christians must get their fellow congregants to stop worrying about religion of others. We all have the "freedom of faith" but "freedom to practice" is allowed as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Shame that those few Christians don;t see religious favortism in wanting the Ten Commandments in public parks but also feel threatened (why?) is the Bhagavita or Koranic verses were also required to be publically displayed with the same affection and understanding?
Enough dividing people and nation-states over religious issues. Jesus taught loving your neighbor so please try and practice that ideal. Love is the answer, not war and hatred and distrust of others.
Posted by: vballboy60 | August 8, 2010 6:39 AM
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God (Yahweh, Allah, or other reference name to your deity of choice)...bless the whole world, NO EXCEPTIONS!
Posted by: vballboy60 | August 8, 2010 6:40 AM
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As the world becomes more and more democratic and civilized, the Eastern religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism etc are going to become more and more popular. These religions do not convert people aggressively, and believe in self realization, meditation, yoga, peace and non-violence. Of course like any religion, these religions also have their own issues and problems, but with time they will modernize themselves and become more progressive which is already happening.
What Julia Robert does is a personal matter.
Posted by: ak1967 | August 8, 2010 6:55 AM
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I honestly think that the Hindus have it figured out.
Posted by: VastRightWingConspirator | August 8, 2010 7:02 AM
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Just another ill-educated, bored Hollywooder looking to find some meaningful meaning to her life besides collecting and spending million$ on clothes and surgery.
Now, is she headed to India to bathe in one of those fetid, fecal-filled "holy" rivers?
Posted by: perryneheum | August 8, 2010 7:04 AM
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Modest practicing Hindus do not kiss in public or on screen do they?
Posted by: Elisa2 | August 8, 2010 7:08 AM
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One of the most illogical comment thread in modern history. Hinduism is not a religion, it is set of philosophical beliefs based on observations of the Universe.
The beauty of the writings is that, once one picks up one of the ancient books written 5,000 years ago and passed down for 10,000 years and start critically thinking about it, it will fascinates you and you want to read more and more. They are all universal truths.
People misunderstand Hinduism based without understanding.
" Religion without philosophy is ritualism and philosophy without religion is mental speculations" - Bhagavad Gita.
Something to reflect on for next few minutes and after that you may go back to you narrow views of left, right, and what not!
Posted by: Maya2 | August 8, 2010 7:21 AM
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About a year ago, Newsweek had an article which said many Americans practise Hindu traditions- such as cremating, believing in Karma and reincarnation....
Posted by: HarshK | August 8, 2010 7:48 AM
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Never heard of such a thing before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3NcwfOBzQ
Tomorrow Never Knows
Turn off your mind, relax
and float down stream
It is not dying
It is not dying
Lay down all thought
Surrender to the void
It is shining
It is shining
That you may see
The meaning of within
It is being
It is being
That love is all
And love is everyone
It is knowing
It is knowing
That ignorance and hate
May mourn the dead
It is believing
It is believing
But listen to the
color of your dreams
It is not living
It is not living
Or play the game
existence to the end
Of the beginning
Of the beginning
Posted by: blasmaic | August 8, 2010 8:46 AM
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Taking religion out of the 10 commandments, there should be only commandments: 1. thou shalt not steal (unless thou art hungry); 2. thou shalt not commit adultery (unless your spouse has left you); 3. thou shalt not lie (except when the wife asks if she looks fat); 4. thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods (unless he is selling them on craigslist); 5. honor thy father and mother (while accepting that they aren't perfect); 6. thou shalt not murder except to defend your or your loved ones' lives, not "your way of life."
Posted by: HookedOnThePost | August 8, 2010 9:00 AM
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The truly odd thing about Christians--and Americans in general--is that they will scoff at such notions as reincarnation while blindly accepting all manner of patently absurd Christian notions--ie, that a man was crucified and his body essentially ripped and tortured before he died, then magically arose from the dead three days later. That notion seems far more worthy of ridicule than reincarnation and Karma, which makes infinitely more sense out of the crazy unjust world we live in.
Posted by: jaxas70 | August 8, 2010 9:02 AM
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To all those who blogged, thank you for enlightening me. As a practicing Hindu ( whatever it stands for ), I am enriched by the information. Hope it makes me a better person - and yes, I don't carry it on my sleeve. As Calm1 stated " To thine own self be true."
Posted by: shovandas | August 8, 2010 9:14 AM
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the difference is that people actually were martyred and murdered because of their relentless declaration of the proof of the ressurection. and these were JEWS!!! and if you think that in that age some Jewish folks from all walks of life are going to be killed for a lie you are carazy. Remember, "follow a dead savior and you will end up just like him". We can all be wrong but we cannot all be right. I will put my money on the only resurrected man in history. you take Sai Baba, a hug from Amma, and the possibility of returning as a Giraffe and i'll take Jesus.
Posted by: doyouktt | August 8, 2010 9:16 AM
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Your right JAXA570 - that does make more sense to us humans, thats why all man made religions ( hinduism, buddhism, Islam, Catholicism, mormonism...etc.) all believe essentially the same thing ...that you have to work your way to nirvana, or the next level or paradise or a better next life. Christianity is the only faith that says you cant "earn" your way to heaven, there is no one that is good, all have broken Gods moral laws and deserve justice and only through repentance and faith in Jesus can you be saved. Not only that Jesus in the only faith leader who claimed to be God in flesh and had the authority to forgive sins. Pretty unique !
Deepak Chopra once said in a conference "All belief systems are a cover-up for insecurites" - an attendee asked Deepak if he believed that ? Deepak said yes, the questioner said 'thank you' (everyone in the audience laughed )
Posted by: US-conscience | August 8, 2010 9:28 AM
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"Hinduism is THE oldest religion known to man.
Going back to your roots is a good thing."
Then please join me in embracing atheism, which is older than every religion mentioned in this discussion.
Posted by: orthodoxheathen | August 8, 2010 9:30 AM
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The good news is that if just one American decides to learn something about Hinduism...that is one more better educated American. Also, if just one American Christian...takes another look...and does not pass the Christian test...one more better educated American. After all, Ignorance may not be Bliss.
Posted by: judithclaire1939 | August 8, 2010 9:38 AM
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Who cares what celebrities do.
Posted by: wmpowellfan | August 8, 2010 9:42 AM
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Freedom of religion.
Freedom from religion.
I'll take the second option and am most thankful it is available in the United States.
Posted by: mosthind | August 8, 2010 9:57 AM
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You can't just become Hindu. You can practice hinduism, but you can't convert to Hinduism. You are either born a Hindu or not. Sorry Julia.
Posted by: sknyluv | August 8, 2010 10:13 AM
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As a devout Christian and Republican, I say it will be fun watching you nonbelievers suffer the torment of eternal damnation as I sit at the right hand of our Lord.
Posted by: senbilboredux | August 8, 2010 10:15 AM
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Hinduism is a private faith. Not a proselytizing one. A story based on her faith should not be disseminated in the media. Please remove this article. People who choose to seek the truth will find it. Good job Julia.
Posted by: shalshah | August 8, 2010 10:16 AM
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SHALSHAH, we have freedom of speech. Elizabeth Tenety's article and questions are very interesting. If Julia Roberts' faith is not private any more is her fault.
Posted by: ThishowIseeit | August 8, 2010 10:30 AM
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I like some of these movie stars too but at the end of the day they are not rocket scientists and probably find it difficult to navigate the complicated worlds in which they find themselves. Not surprising that they go off on various tangents. And Hinduism is not a bad one, though I wonder how deeply JR can understand the mindset and perspective, really really.
Posted by: DCresident99 | August 8, 2010 10:34 AM
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The fiunny thing is that more than 100 million Dalits (lower caste) in India are waiting to leave Hinduism, a relgion that made them sub-human. (Racism was mostly born of economic reasons and superiority feelings. They used passages in the Bible to justify it too)
The lower castes remain Hindu, because they might lose the benefits from affirmative programs if they changed religion.
The Hindu fundamentalists attack Christians because they fear that all dalits will join Christain.
Hinduism will say big things but in practice it is the opposite.
In one of the earlier posts I read that the practice of Sati (burning the wife in the funeral pyre of husband) came into existence during Islamic rule. Not it was there right from the time of Mahabharata, when King Pandu's three wives committed it.
It was king Akbar, a Muslim, who first partially banned it. Lord William Bentck, made it criminal.
Posted by: ggjey123 | August 8, 2010 10:46 AM
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"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life..No man comes to the Father but by me". John 14:6
Posted by: rprieto | August 8, 2010 10:48 AM
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It is good to see faiths based on basically non-violence and non-agressive conversion take prominence. It is high time, the world is becoming more and more civilized, the terrorism, forced or devious conversion notwithstanding. Of course, Hinduism, like any other religion, has its issues and problems, but it seems they are making progress. And that is a good sign. Self realization, meditation, yoga, non-violence, peace and respect for all religions are good traits.
Posted by: ak1967 | August 8, 2010 10:56 AM
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Well. I guess since Julia Roberts thinks Hinduism is the way to go, we should get ready for the wave of people converting across America.
The Beatles didn't get millions of people to start following Hinduism and Hare Krishna (at least for more than a few weeks), and they were many times more popular than Julia Roberts.
Maybe Brad Pitt will convert to Islam and we can get ready for America to become the next Iran. That is if Ken Cuccinelli and Co. don't establish the Christian version of Sharia law first.
Posted by: BurtReynolds | August 8, 2010 10:58 AM
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The strength of Hinduism is its strength and tolerance. Even though the Buddha was a radical challenger of traditional Hinduism, he has been deified by Hindus as the 9th incarnation of Vishnu. The first time I saw a picture of Jesus it was in the house of a Hindu.
Ultimately we do not know - or at least most of us do not know what religious truths, if any, there are. Atheists are telling us as dogma something which they do not know for a fact (as are most religious people).
But if we want to come to the question with an open mind, we can do that best as Hindus. Hinduism, despite some of its less palatable customs, has always regarded religious questions to be addressed by inquiry and not by dogma.
BTW, I am not myself a Hindu, but have much respect for that religion.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 11:20 AM
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In one of the earlier posts I read that the practice of Sati (burning the wife in the funeral pyre of husband) came into existence during Islamic rule. Not it was there right from the time of Mahabharata, when King Pandu's three wives committed it.
It was king Akbar, a Muslim, who first partially banned it. Lord William Bentck, made it criminal.
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You are a bit mistaken - actually Pandu had only TWO wives. One of his wives, Madri, who was his favourite, claimed the right to immolate herself with Pandu. His other wife Kunti agreed in return to take care of Madri's children as her own.
A sati really is a female saint, and a woman can become a sati by doing brave things which have nothing to do with self-immolation. Sati Savitri is an example, because she saved her husband's life by posing the god of death a riddle which he could not solve.
He said, "I cannot spare your husband's life because his time has come. But ask me any other favor" She said, "Fine, I want a hundred children." When he said OK, she pointed out that her husband would have to live for that to happen.
The custom of Sati is now illegal in India, but it was never part of the notion of sati that force should be used - you cannot be forced to become a saint. A family motivated by hubris may force a woman to immolate herself, but she is not then a genuine sati.
In the Christian tradition, suicide is a mortal sin. But this is not the case with other cultures. Whether it be the kamikaze pilots of Japan, or the Buddhist priests in Vietnam who immolated themselves and brought down Diem's government, suicide has often been seen as an appropriate gesture in non-Christian cultures.
BTW, suicide is more common in the US, especially among elderly white men and white male teenagers than it is in most countries.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 11:37 AM
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Well. I guess since Julia Roberts thinks Hinduism is the way to go, we should get ready for the wave of people converting across America.
The Beatles didn't get millions of people to start following Hinduism and Hare Krishna (at least for more than a few weeks), and they were many times more popular than Julia Roberts.
Maybe Brad Pitt will convert to Islam and we can get ready for America to become the next Iran. That is if Ken Cuccinelli and Co. don't establish the Christian version of Sharia law first.
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I don't know about this. Note that no Hindus were involved in 9-11 or in subsequent terrorist attacks.
And as for fundamentalism, there have been no marches in India against teaching Darwin. Indeed, many Hindus believe that the ten incarnations of Vishnu, starting from the earliest one which is a fish, to a turtle, all the way to the Buddha, are evidence of evolution.
It is true that some Hindu practices are harmful. But since Hinduism is a mixture of religion and social norms, these practices have more to do with Hindu customs than with the religion.
In the Gita, the most popular Hindu scripture, Krishna says explicitly that the wise do not see any difference between a dog, a lower caste person who eats dog, an elephant, a cow, and a literate Brahmin. They are all the same.
This is rather like the view of a physicist who will tell you that we are all made of the same elementary particles.
So Hinduism has much that is bad and much that is good. It is a little like Indian restaurants where the food is delicious, and inexpensive, but the toilet definitely is a place where you do not want to linger! :)
It is out of Hindu reverance for life that you see peacocks and monkeys moving around freely and with little fear in streets in India.
I suspect that JR has chosen to take the good from Hinduism, and reject the worse customs. All power to her!!
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 11:48 AM
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It would have been nice if the author explored how Hinduism only works well for those born into the right caste. How can a religion condone those who are born so "low" as to require others to never lay eyes on them, those born into certain groups that are the only ones who may become lawyers or doctors, etc. Or how about the treatment of women? Marrying 10 year old girls to 90 year old men to get a dowry, then the girl child is disowned and on her own once she is widowed at the ripe age of 12 or 13. Take a look at the girl widows begging for food down by the Ganges. Let's not romanticize this culture or religion just because Julia Roberts now adheres to it.
Posted by: samwoods77 | August 8, 2010 11:57 AM
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The media makes too much of celebrity's private lives, including their religions.
Posted by: dataflunky | August 8, 2010 11:58 AM
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You can't just become Hindu. You can practice hinduism, but you can't convert to Hinduism. You are either born a Hindu or not. Sorry Julia.
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You are wrong. Hinduism is not a club. There is no doorman to exclude you.
In fact Hindus have often claimed that Sikhs and Jains are also Hindus. Sikhs and Jains, who value their separateness have argued to be regarded as distinct religions and they have succeeded.
Nonetheless, many Sikhs do regard themselves as Hindu and Jain weddings are typically performed by Hindu priests even though Jains are actually an atheistic religion emphasizing non-violence.
Hindus do not have dogmas, so it is difficult to exclude something bad, but also easy to include something good.
Hinduism has had more trouble with Islam and Christianity, because Muslims and Christians would resent Hindus saying, "You too are a sort of Hindu."
However, crown prince Dara Shikoh, the great grandson of emperor Akbar, did write a book with the theme that Hinduism and Islam were the same religion, and that some eastern scriptures referred to by Muhammad were in fact the Upanishads.
Note that Gandhi, who was a Hindu, routinely read from the Koran and the Bible at his prayer meetings.
He also called one of his communities Tolstoy farm after Leo Tolstoy who was a devout Christian. The two saw no reason to quarrel.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 11:59 AM
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SENBILBORDEUX wrote:
"As a devout Christian and Republican, I say it will be fun watching you nonbelievers suffer the torment of eternal damnation as I sit at the right hand of our Lord."
Your thinking about Lord's justice is only delusional that was taught to you by some stupid child-molesting priest. Lord is just and will not tolerate you in His presence because he knows that you are basically a white racist pig. You deserve hell and I am sure that Lord in His infinite wisdom shall cast you into the lap of Lucifer and into eternal inferno.
You are disgrace to the Republican party of Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson. I am a Hindu and foreign-born who came here legally and is now a proud US citizen. I am a registered Republican voter. I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin last time. However, I don't personally harbor hatred or derive any divine pleasure against others because they follow a different faith. I judge doctrine and people for what they are. It's good that Julia Roberts is shunning company of people like you. BTW, if Julia Roberts reverts back I shall have nothing against her at all.
Shame on you. It is because of people like you that USA, once the bastion of hope around the world is now a subject of ridicule. Get a f$%@#ng like !
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 8, 2010 12:03 PM
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This column on "faith" is a big joke. You have some of the most ridiculous stories and the fact that Sally Quinn is a contributor makes it a bigger joke! I read it to get a laugh!
Posted by: Carole_ | August 8, 2010 12:04 PM
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It would have been nice if the author explored how Hinduism only works well for those born into the right caste. How can a religion condone those who are born so "low" as to require others to never lay eyes on them, those born into certain groups that are the only ones who may become lawyers or doctors, etc. Or how about the treatment of women? Marrying 10 year old girls to 90 year old men to get a dowry, then the girl child is disowned and on her own once she is widowed at the ripe age of 12 or 13. Take a look at the girl widows begging for food down by the Ganges. Let's not romanticize this culture or religion just because Julia Roberts now adheres to it.
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I think you are confusing some bad Hindu practices with Hindu religion. Note that Indira Gandhi who was prime minister for many years was a widow, as is Sonia Gandhi, the power behind the ruling congress party. My own mother was a widow for the last 35 years of her life, and always treated with respect.
I agree that some Hindu practices have been terrible for low caste people. But as for low status of women - when I was a college student in Mumbai in the early fifties, about 40% of the professors were women. After I transferred to Harvard I did not have a single woman professor. So women CAN be treated badly, but they also have more opportunities than in the West.
And note that America imprisons its men at 30 times the rate at which India imprisons its population. Shall we say then that America oppresses men? Perhaps it does.
Hinduism is a complex reality, with much that is bad and much that is noble. I suspect JR has the intelligence to take what is good and leave aside what is not.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 12:08 PM
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Hinduism is nothing more than a myth and it's really funny to believe humans can be this brain dead.
Posted by: fcs25 | August 8, 2010 12:08 PM
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First, to those criticizing the story...this is the "On Faith" blog. Of course something of this nature is covered here.
Second, I'm sorry - Ms. Roberts is an actress with a movie to promote. You'll have to permit me a lack of faith that she has converted her family to Hinduism.
It's not a criticism against Hinduism in the least, just a rather cynical take on both Ms. Roberts' sincerity and commitment. If her next project takes her to Japan for some reason, will she become Shinto?
Posted by: Chasmosaur1 | August 8, 2010 12:09 PM
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My understanding: one has to be born a Hindu. you cannot convert.
Posted by: incant2001 | August 8, 2010 12:17 PM
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SENBILBORDEUX wrote:
"As a devout Christian and Republican, I say it will be fun watching you nonbelievers suffer the torment of eternal damnation as I sit at the right hand of our Lord."
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But are you the ONLY Republican and Christian? Aren't there others?
Just how many right hands does God have? You might be sitting TO THE right of God, but there might be 50 million people between you and God, might there not? :) So then you won't be AT the right hand of God. You will need binoculars to see him. I would suggest taking along Bausch and Lomb...
But seriously, if watching other people suffer is "fun" for you, then you are not actually a Christian. Read the actual words of Jesus and ignore the rest of the nonsense....
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 12:36 PM
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“As a devout Christian and Republican, I say it will be fun watching you nonbelievers suffer the torment of eternal damnation as I sit at the right hand of our Lord.”
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Nonbelievers don't fear any torment in the after life. But we are scared as a hell of people like you that have fun watching others to suffer. Please Jesus Christ, we know that you are a mythical person, but could you protect us innocent unbelievers against your followers while we are still alive? Amen...
Posted by: JUSTACOMMENT | August 8, 2010 12:41 PM
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If she marries a Hindu and he dies she would be burned alive on his funeral pyre. Marrying even a Muslim would be better. Let's face it, anything but Christianity or Judaism will be chosen by these celebrity idiots.
Posted by: ravitchn | August 8, 2010 12:41 PM
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My understanding: one has to be born a Hindu. you cannot convert.
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You are wrong. Traditional Hinduism does not actively seek converts, but many branches of Hinduism do welcome converts.
There is no standard practice. Most Hindu temples welcome everyone, but a very few will only allow "Hindu looking" people, which means that an Indian Muslim would be allowed in, but a westerner who is actually devout might be turned away.
My own wife who was born Catholic has been to hundreds of Hindu temples and the priests have always been friendly. She was turned away exactly once from a very orthodox temple. But typically, Hindu priests care about what you do and not how you were born.
I repeat - it is not a club, and there is no doorman to keep you out.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 12:44 PM
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If she marries a Hindu and he dies she would be burned alive on his funeral pyre. Marrying even a Muslim would be better. Let's face it, anything but Christianity or Judaism will be chosen by these celebrity idiots.
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Oh, I did not realize this. Italian born Sonia Gandhi married a Hindu, Rajiv Gandhi. He was assassinated and she became a widow. Considering that she is the principle force behind the ruling Congress party in India, are you quite sure she was burned alive?
Maybe you need to check some facts??
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 12:48 PM
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I think the question of will America embrace Hinduism is silly. Embrace? Tolerate or accept, sure. But "embrace"? Why is it so trendy now for us all to "embrace" everything?
Posted by: motherof3 | August 8, 2010 12:54 PM
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"Dear Julia,
You are an embodiment of Hindu philosophy and culture. Non-violent, non-oppressive without any demands of daily prayers and the like, Hinduism is a way of life that respects all forms of life. May your tribe grow.
Posted by: shovandas | August 6, 2010 1:47 PM "
Except if you are Lower cast Hindu,Muslim, christian or Sikh in India then you do not qualify for the above mentioned sweet alluring lies. Get real before you make such hyperbolic false statements without ground facts to back it.
Posted by: ronin12 | August 8, 2010 12:56 PM
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Most people are of a particular religion due to indoctrination as children. However, leaving one's particular irrational and indoctrinated superstitious belief in order to embrace someone else's unreason is somewhat akin to ceasing to believe in "step on a crack, break your mother's back" in order to embrace "don't walk under a ladder."
Posted by: Davidd1 | August 8, 2010 12:56 PM
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when christians and muslims bad mouth hinduism and other religions we know where the problem is. it is religious intolerance. too many societies try to create good muslims and christians,filling minds with useless nonsense.
Posted by: sd71 | August 8, 2010 12:58 PM
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Dear Julia,
You are an embodiment of Hindu philosophy and culture. Non-violent, non-oppressive without any demands of daily prayers and the like, Hinduism is a way of life that respects all forms of life. May your tribe grow.
Posted by: shovandas | August 6, 2010 1:47 PM "
Except if you are Lower cast Hindu,Muslim, christian or Sikh in India then you do not qualify for the above mentioned sweet alluring lies. Get real before you make such hyperbolic false statements without ground facts to back it.
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Actually the Prime minister of India is a Sikh. The Indian constitution was written by a low caste person. And Sonia Gandhi, the leader of the ruling party, was born a Christian. Another Christian, George Fernandes was Defense minister of India. The last president of India was a Muslim and one of the most popular actors, Shah Rukh Khan (called SRK) is a Muslim.
You are talking about a country which exists only in your imagination.
So bash that country of your imagination if you like, but if you want to bash the actual country, you need to find out a few facts.
Not all the facts are good - there is a lot of poverty. Yet, fully 50% of Indians have access to cell phones.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 1:04 PM
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This is a difficult question with no easy answer. Hinduism is not like other major religions. The only western taxonomic term we have for it, a cultural system, is inadequate. We westerners want to fit everything into a neat pigeon hole, but Hinduism defies this attempt. Hindus share a certain ethos among themselves but no definite creed or dogma. Julia is deluding herself if she thinks the masses of Hindus accept her “conversion”. Westernized middle class Hindus would humor her, but the vast majority of Hindus (exactly what percentage of the billion plus population of India has inculcated western norms?) would consider her a fool. For the cultural and economic elite, the caste system is dead. It is doubtful that the average Indian knows this. In Hindu society, one born outside the caste system, i.e., to a non-Hindu, is casteless: an untouchable. This was the joke that the British were too dense to get during their tenure. Julia would be more correct to say she is an adherent of Vedanta movement, which is based on the Hindu Vedas or scriptures, but is basically free of the pantheism and animistic practices and ceremonies of popular Hinduism, i.e., it is an elitist, intellectual movement founded by the son of a poor Brahmin or priest, Sri Ramakrishna, and popularized in the West by the son of Westernized Indian (an attorney), Swami Vivekanada. This perspective on the traditions of Hinduism (it is not truly Hinduism) might make inroads in the U.S., but since it has been around for over 100 years with little impact on Americans other than intellectuals, it is doubtful. Americans want something more concrete and offering more pat answers than is provided by a pantheistic religion (or cultural system) such as Hinduism; we want a guy in the sky that answers the phone.
Posted by: csintala79 | August 8, 2010 1:08 PM
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In one of the earlier posts I read that the practice of Sati (burning the wife in the funeral pyre of husband) came into existence during Islamic rule. Not it was there right from the time of Mahabharata, when King Pandu's three wives committed it.
It was king Akbar, a Muslim, who first partially banned it. Lord William Bentck, made it criminal.
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You are a bit mistaken - actually Pandu had only TWO wives. One of his wives, Madri, who was his favourite, claimed the right to immolate herself with Pandu. His other wife Kunti agreed in return to take care of Madri's children as her own.
A sati really is a female saint, and a woman can become a sati by doing saintly things which have nothing to do with self-immolation. Sati Savitri is an example, because she saved her husband's life by posing the god of death a riddle which he could not solve.
He said, "I cannot spare your husband's life because his time has come." She said, "Fine, but I want a hundred children." When he said OK, she pointed out that her husband would have to live for that to happen.
The custom of Sati is now illegal in India, but it was never part of the notion of sati that force should be used - you cannot be forced to become a saint. A family motivated by hubris may force a woman to immolate herself, but she is not then a genuine sati.
In the Christian tradition, suicide is a mortal sin. But this is not the case with other cultures. Whether it be the kamikaze pilots of Japan, or the Buddhist priests who immolated themselves and brought down Diem's government, suicide has often been seen as an appropriate gesture in non-Christian cultures.
BTW, suicide is more common in the US, especially among elderly white men and white male teenagers than it is in most countries.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 1:09 PM
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ROHIT57 wrote:
Atheists are telling us as dogma something which they do not know for a fact (as are most religious people).
Not football fans are not telling anybody a dogma. Non believers in Santa Claus either. Non believers in God doesn't mean they tell you a dogma. Simple definitions of the words atheist and dogma will tell you that. Rohit57 doesn't know much about what s/he is talking about.
Posted by: JUSTACOMMENT | August 8, 2010 1:10 PM
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@woolrichwascool who wrote, "This same culture embraced a vicious caste system, suttee ..."
What ignorant tripe! Why not associate Christianity then with the Third Reich (90% of Nazis where baptized Lutherans), the genocides of Native Americans in North and South Americas, slavery, and the current systematic persecution of African Americans (1 in every three AAs under 30 is in jail and denied access to equal housing, jobs, education, and so on)?
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" Matthew 7:3
Posted by: DrSubtle | August 8, 2010 1:13 PM
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@SD71, who said, "when christians and muslims bad mouth hinduism and other religions we know where the problem is. it is religious intolerance. too many societies try to create good muslims and christians,filling minds with useless nonsense."
I agree except that I do think the few insecure Christians and Muslims who look at other religions as being inferior do NOT represent Christianity and Islam at large. These morons who like to find fault with Hinduism, Buddhism, Native American and African religions, etc. forget to look in the mirror about the atrocities committed by their own religions in the past and the present.
Way to go, Julia! Each person should find one's own way without listening to the drivel of the Christian and Muslim Taleban (IMO Pat Robertson should be made an honorary Mullah or Ayatollah:)
Posted by: DrSubtle | August 8, 2010 1:24 PM
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For Heaven's sake. I thought Sandra Bullock was America's Sweetheart.
People have already embraced Hinduism. It does not take a washed up celeb like Roberts to bring Hinduism to the US. Some people will be Hindu, some Jewish, some Christian, some Muslim, and some Wiccan.
Be careful though, I would hate to see Americans switch their loathing from Islam to Hindi.
Posted by: arancia12 | August 8, 2010 1:27 PM
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ROHIT57 also wrote:
“Ultimately we do not know - or at least most of us do not know what religious truths, if any, there are.”
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This stament makes a lot more sense than when the writes that atheist tell dogmas. The only thing that is common among atheists is not to believe that God exists. Anything else is particular to each atheist. Some simple don't believe in God because a good evidence has not been given to them. Others claim that can prove that God don't exist. Other think that the theory of evolution is a scientific fact, others aren't so sure. Well, you get the idea.
Posted by: JUSTACOMMENT | August 8, 2010 1:36 PM
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@PerryNeuhem who wrote, "Now, is she headed to India to bathe in one of those fetid, fecal-filled "holy" rivers?"
It's better than heading to Galveston, TX and bathing in the toxic, polluted ocean waters that we call our own but belong to corporations. I wish we called our waters holy so that we wouldn't allow BP to pollute them.
Posted by: DrSubtle | August 8, 2010 1:39 PM
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@RAVITCHIN, "If she marries a Hindu and he dies she would be burned alive on his funeral pyre. Marrying even a Muslim would be better. Let's face it, anything but Christianity or Judaism will be chosen by these celebrity idiots."
Yep, let's take an ancient practice that was in use for a small fraction of a religion and generalize! Like all Christians burn crosses on people's lawns and lynch African Americans by the thousands! Like all Muslims turn themselves into suicide bombs.
Please grow up. All religions have their good and bad points. Some have them in their past and some in their present.
Let people choose their faith based on their own needs, not based on your false interpretations of other religions.
Posted by: DrSubtle | August 8, 2010 1:46 PM
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ROHIT57 also wrote:
“Ultimately we do not know - or at least most of us do not know what religious truths, if any, there are.”
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This stament makes a lot more sense than when the writes that atheist tell dogmas. The only thing that is common among atheists is not to believe that God exists. Anything else is particular to each atheist. Some simple don't believe in God because a good evidence has not been given to them. Others claim that can prove that God don't exist. Other think that the theory of evolution is a scientific fact, others aren't so sure. Well, you get the idea.
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I think before we say that God does not exist we do need a definition of God which every one agrees on and then if there is nothing that satisfies that definition we can say there is no God.
But there is no such definition. For instance people do not even all believe that Allah and God are the same. In Malaysia, Christians are not allowed to refer to God as Allah. So does that mean that a person who believes in Allah but not God is an atheist?
What about the Force as in Star Wars? Can an atheist say, "There is no God, but the Force does exist"? Someone who believes in the Force, is that person an atheist or a theist?
If people believe that there is no God but have not asked themselves what that means, then I would say that they are confused. Generally, such people are taking the Jewish-Christian notion of God as the standard and denying it. But I do not see why it is a standard.
So the question is open, not only in terms of true/false, but also in terms of "What does the question mean?"
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 1:53 PM
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Who Cares!! She should go and live in India.
Posted by: KrautKiller | August 8, 2010 1:59 PM
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India has thousands of churches and christians. It is shocking to see the hatred spewing out of lots of americans against hinduisim. It almost seems christians can convert millions but one actor converting to hinduism is not tolerable. What a shame!!!
Posted by: Naren1 | August 8, 2010 2:13 PM
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Perhaps Hollywood has taken notice: Americans have begun to boycott the ridiculous tripe that it calls "entertainment" and to chalk up extreme acts by actors as simply his or her inability to accept that they are MORTAL and when they die...they will rot just like the dog in the street.
Who cares what this flake believes?
Posted by: joesmithdefend | August 8, 2010 2:14 PM
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While Julia converts to Hinduism, the GOP candidate for governor in SC makes every effort to emphasize she's not a Hindu.
Posted by: drlatham22 | August 8, 2010 2:14 PM
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sweet surprise...she remains the same for us...a sweet and talented actress.
Posted by: HIMALAYAN | August 8, 2010 2:34 PM
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Krautkiller wrote:
"Who Cares!! She should go and live in India."
Agreed that her conversion should not be of anyone's concern, but WashPost made it a big issue and unwittingly revealed the ignorance of Ms. Tenety about Hinduism.
For your likes, you need to grow up and stop thinking that the likes of your lynch-happy ancestors do not rule the world. Julia Roberts should be free to do whatever she wants, even if she decided one fine morning to revert back to her own ancestral faith (Christianity). She does not need your permission, and neither from anyone of us bloggers.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 8, 2010 2:38 PM
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DrLatham22:
Niki Haley was NOT a Hindu. She was a Sikh by birth and converted to Christianity before her marriage. FYI.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 8, 2010 2:40 PM
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It's amazing how much religious prejudice is found in these comments. Hinduism is not associated with poverty--the poverty came courtesy of British colonialism. India was extremely wealthy prior to the British coming and strip mining their wealth and resources. Furthermore it is a shame that Haley and Jindal have to change their religion for the sake of their careers. Hinduisim and Sikhism are great, world religions, and their adherents should be proud, not embarrassed. And since we see so many articles every day about people embracing their Christian faith, there certainly should be no problem seeing that someone embraces Hinduisim, or any other religion. It was a good article.
Posted by: jamesk84 | August 8, 2010 2:52 PM
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religion has been screwing up the whole planet,causing bloodshed and creating divisions among people for centuries now.it is arbitrary and illogical.
God did not die for us. God did not heal any lepers. God did not speak to anybody in a cave. Nobody got enlightened sitting under a tree. The 'soul' does not get reborn. It's all humbug. All religion is based on fear. All the collective brain cells that get wasted on this nonsense could be put to much better use. wash a few dirty dishes, read a book,learn a new and useful skill.
And if you really believe in your religion why care what anybody else thinks. let them screw themselves. to thine own self be true.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 2:58 PM
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As far as I am aware, one has to be born a Hindu. A person who is not a Hindu by birth may embrace the tenets of Hinduism but cannot convert to being a Hindu.
Posted by: fasm7700 | August 8, 2010 3:13 PM
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we all deal with difficult problems in our lives everyday. religion is pure escapism.it gives people temporary mental peace but the problems never go away till you either do something about them or just accept them when nothing can be done about it. there are lots of interesting things around us that keep our mind occupied and help us put our brain cells to work while getting us to our goals,or giving us some chance of getting to them.
setting ourselves a big personal goal, like 'i'm going to be a big star in hollywood' or 'i'm going to harvard' and working toward it every day to give ourselves a 1 to 50 percent chance is much better than living in an imaginary world.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 3:20 PM
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While Julia Roberts may not represent America we all should take a break from the fast pace lives we live. It seems that people are so wrapped up to get more power, more money, more sex that their lives have fallen into amoral behavior. Some have fallen into deeper amoral to the point of depravation, and total carelessness towards others.
Personally, as a rarely going to church Catholic, I find that trying to enhance our lives with meditation, and caring for others helps to feel more spiritual. Hinduism or other spiritual healthy practices should make us better persons. We should be aggresive on our daily work, but enjoy spirituality on our time off. If we do not have enough time off, then something must be done to better organize our lives into a healthier life style.
Posted by: MaruAngarita | August 8, 2010 3:21 PM
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Julia must by now HAVE REALIZED THE BLUNDER MADE BY HER IF SHE COULD ONLY READ THE COMMENTS OF MEN FROM SELFSTYLED MORAL,ETHICAL,CULTURED,CIVILIZED,UNIVERSAL ETC ETC ETC RELIGION IN THIS BLOG ESPECIALLY FROM SOME "AREYOUSAYING' OR CONCOCTS FROM DEBCHATTERJI's.they are all reps.of Gujrat culture shaped by narendera modi's. WASHINGTONPOST.COM MUST TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE UTTERANCES OF ID"AREYOUSAYING" AND BAN HIS/HER ACCOUNT.IT IS UNETHICAL.
Posted by: libertyWLOVE | August 8, 2010 3:26 PM
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sweet surprise...she remains the same for us...a sweet and talented actress.
Posted by: HIMALAYAN | August 8, 2010 3:31 PM
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Calm1 wrote:
"All religion is based on fear."
Religions yes. Spirituality NO. Read Sam Harris's book END OF FAITH ..
Hinduism is NOT a religion. It's emphasis is only on spirituality.
Also, you seem to be stating stuff out of your own personal bias. Soul does not exist ? How do you know ? I am saying "reincarnation" (a core principle of the Hindu faith) makes maximum sense and is logical. You are refuting that notion. What proof you have to state that you are right and I am wrong ?
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 8, 2010 3:41 PM
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As far as I am aware, one has to be born a Hindu. A person who is not a Hindu by birth may embrace the tenets of Hinduism but cannot convert to being a Hindu.
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If so, you need to expand your awareness. Sonia Gandhi was born a Christian, converted when she married Rajiv Gandhi. Indeed, the present day Rajputs (the warrior class in India) are descended from invaders from central Asia (like the Huns and the Scythians for instance) who converted to Hinduism. So coversion to Hinduism has a long history.
Your impression may come from the fact that most traditional Hindus belong to some caste or another, and they avoid marrying a Hindu from another caste. Presumably they might also avoid marrying someone who converted to Hinduism.
But my point is that such people would also avoid marrying a natural born Hindus from a different caste, so it is not Hindu vs non-Hindu, but "my caste" vs "another caste".
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 3:43 PM
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India has thousands of churches and christians. It is shocking to see the hatred spewing out of lots of americans against hinduisim. It almost seems christians can convert millions but one actor converting to hinduism is not tolerable. What a shame!!!
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Actually India has not thousands but tens of millions of Christians and in fact, Christianity came to India BEFORE it came to Europe.
From the Wikipedia: "it is generally agreed that Christianity in India is almost as old as Christianity itself and spread in India even before it spread in many, predominantly Christian, nations of europe."
While India does not have anything specific against Christians or Christianity, there is some feeling of unease because too many Christians believe that Indians are heathens who will go to hell.
But this is a minor phenomenon. I once knew well a professor of statistics who was a Christian, but also an authority on Hindu temples.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 3:51 PM
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I think the question of will America embrace Hinduism is silly. Embrace? Tolerate or accept, sure. But "embrace"? Why is it so trendy now for us all to "embrace" everything?
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Maybe "embrace" should not be taken in the meaning of "adopt" in which case you would have to stop being Christian or Jewish or whatever. It should be taken in an older sense, i.e., a hug! :)
I have never found that Christians are particularly averse to hugging people who are not Christian...
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I don't know how many people know the word "Buju". It refers to someone who is born Jewish, becomes a Buddhist, but continues with their Jewish observances.
It is not uncommon for Buddhist meditation groups to observe Jewish holidays and a very large proportion of Buddhism in the US are Jewish women like Ayya Khema or Sharon Salzberg or Sandra Weinberg or....
So have these people "embraced" Buddhism? Perhaps but AFAIK they are still Jewish.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 4:08 PM
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we all deal with difficult problems in our lives everyday. religion is pure escapism.it gives people temporary mental peace but the problems never go away till you either do something about them or just accept them when nothing can be done about it. Posted by: calm1
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But actually a lot of religions teach just that. Do something about your problems if you can, and accept only if you cannot. So why is religion escapism in that case?
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 4:13 PM
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Who cares what she is? She's a typcial actor/actress who, living in a pampered cocoon, has trouble with reality and so is constantly trying out new fads to "find" herself. Not much more to it.
Has Cat Stevens tried Hindu yet?
Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | August 8, 2010 4:16 PM
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'But actually a lot of religions teach just that. Do something about your problems if you can, and accept only if you cannot. So why is religion escapism in that case?'
we don't need a religion to tell us that.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 4:18 PM
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the notion of reincarnation of the soul is total rubbish. it makes no logical sense. it is a pure figment of human imagination.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 4:23 PM
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'Also, you seem to be stating stuff out of your own personal bias. Soul does not exist ? How do you know ? I am saying "reincarnation" (a core principle of the Hindu faith) makes maximum sense and is logical. You are refuting that notion. What proof you have to state that you are right and I am wrong ? '
and i say the concept of 'soul' and 'reincarnation' is purely arbitrary. if a cop stops you for speeding are you going to tell him 'prove to me that i don't have license' or will you just show it to him. i suggest the latter unless you want to land in jail.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 4:28 PM
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So logical. If you want to be born again, become a Hindu. If it's Heaven you want the there are many options for that too. Neat if you can get it. Is there any 'money back' policy? Can one buy insurance, from AIG for example, for the case where results disappoint? Maybe a straddle bet?
Posted by: Aeschylus | August 8, 2010 4:36 PM
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This is fun! Now the Hindus are getting it from the hillbilly wing. As a Moslem I thought we were Chosen to get insulted in the Western media. About time They picked on someone else. Advice to my Hindu friends : Don't respond and they will eventually go away and pick on some other unfortunate. It is the Viking mentality.
Posted by: Aeschylus | August 8, 2010 4:41 PM
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Posted by: joncsmith3 | August 8, 2010 4:44 PM
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'Hinduism is NOT a religion. It's emphasis is only on spirituality'
it is a religion. religions are based on both morality and fear. there is a lot of both in every major religion. religion is total arbitrariness.
there isn't a god who punishes anybody for bad deeds or rewards people for the good ones. nobody struck me down the day(decades ago) when i decided there is no God.
if reincarnation and soul exist, prove it to me. you can't prove it.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 4:45 PM
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there is a lot of fear and authoritarianism in islam. it bullies it's followers into believing that somebody had a revelation in a cave. questioning it is blasphemous, off with your head.there is no room for reasoning.
i have been into a few caves and a 'God' never spoke to me. I refuse to believe that a 'God' spoke to somebody else. If others want to believe it or are scared 'God' will punish them for questioning the idea, it is their choice.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 4:52 PM
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Hah! Try to imagine the christians putting up with all the gods the hindus believe in. I mean, there's only 3 gods, right? And possibly Mary is a goddess, depending on how catholic you are.
Posted by: jontomus | August 8, 2010 4:55 PM
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Always hilarious to watch the defensive Christians lash out as someone turns their back on their chosen form of superstition. What? There is a world beyond the Megachurch next to the Tastee Freeze? I'm terrified! Momieeeee!
Posted by: B2O2 | August 8, 2010 4:59 PM
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the idea of a formless God is also nonsense. and Christ claimed he was God. If anybody did that today we would call him a lunatic. I don't believe anybody ever had mystical healing powers. all that is mumbo jumbo.
To Julia, all I would ask is why do hindus,christians,muslims and buddhists flock to america ? it is because there is logical analysis and reasoning in america. swami vivekananda may have brought yoga to america and it is a multibillion dollar industry today. but what is it's real value ? does yoga benefit us physically and mentally or is it just snake oil ?.we don't need idiots like the bikram yoga guru(a fraud) telling americans that their minds and bodies are broken because we are all doing drugs, and he is going to fix it. it is insulting and nonsensical. is physical exercise better ? if yoga is useful, can the benefits be quantified in scientific terms ?. the process is no different from developing a new drug or medical procedure and studying the effects. if it works then it is widely accepted.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 5:15 PM
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This discussion is just plain sad. You know, back in the 70s, Americans had no problem whatsoever supporting and revering Muhammed Ali despite that fact that he was not Christian or Jewish -- which you seem to be implying are the only "acceptable" religions in America.
And are you really insinuating that Ms. Roberts should choose a different religion, even if it goes against her true beliefs, to satisfy the American public?
That sounds like a rather anti-religious, cynical viewpoint to me -- unworthy of a column that is supposed to be about faith.
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WRKristol, back then there were stupid people that thought like most of these posters did. They just didn't have computers and the internet to vent their backwardness. They do now.
Posted by: baldinho | August 8, 2010 5:24 PM
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'But actually a lot of religions teach just that. Do something about your problems if you can, and accept only if you cannot. So why is religion escapism in that case?'
we don't need a religion to tell us that.
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No, you do not need religion for that. But, if religion says A, and secular people also say A, then it cannot be the case that secular people are right and religion is escapism. Either they are both right or they are both wrong.
Posted by: rohit57 | August 8, 2010 5:32 PM
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Reading all these comments about the founding of various religions and the violence embedded in all them, at one point or another, and the violence practiced even in these times, perhaps it best to avoid all religions. Love one another, admire the beauty of nature, do as much good as one can among those who are suffering, and trust in your own judgments as one walks through life...
Posted by: jbk60391 | August 8, 2010 5:35 PM
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i have hindu,muslim, christian and half sikh relatives and friends. what happened to each of them ?
the hindu-hindu couples(the majority) remained hindus and brought up their kids as hindus.
the hindu-christian couple gave their kids christian names.he remains a hindu, she a christian. she calls the kids by their christian names and he by their hindu names. one of the kids married a hindu and their kids have hindu names.
the hindu-muslim couple gave their kids muslim names.he converted to islam(to the shock of his religiously conservative hindu parents) because she married him on the condition that he would convert to islam.
the half-sikh/half hindu-hindu couple gave their kids north indian hindu names.
the half sikh, like me is agnostic.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 5:50 PM
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Big Deal! Julia Roberts lost any credibility years ago. Besides, Richard Gere is a Buddhist, Cruise and Travolta are Scientologists, Shirley McClain is into spiritual channeling, etc, ad nauseum. It's all been done before, remember the Beatles and the Maharishi?
Posted by: ExPatYankee | August 8, 2010 6:18 PM
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If the Hindus are idolators and pagans, I wonder all those crosses, stars of david and the cresent moons and the green flags represent!
Hindus are open enough to welcome all these symbols into their life along with a multitude of other 'sacred' symbols that the Abrahaminic faiths detest!
Unlike the Abrahaminic faiths that say "There is but One God", Hindus say "There is ONLY GOD".
Posted by: roberto3 | August 8, 2010 6:25 PM
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I wonder what motivates a person who, having dispensed with one invisible friend running the world, decides to people their world with other invisible friends.
Not to dis the Hindu worldview; at an abstract level, I can get behind the idea that the governing principles of the universe are creation, preservation, and destruction. It's when you anthropomorphize them and endow them with names and personalities that you reveal your ignorance of the impersonality of a universe in which we are less significant than a speck of dust. All we have is each other; even if there is Somebody else out there, trust me, they don't care.
Posted by: Capn0ok | August 8, 2010 6:27 PM
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Hinduism : There are as many ways to God as there are people.
Every one must find his own way, with his her God given intellect.
Bye the way, since Hinduism believes that the supreme God , which itself is not a distinct entity nor has has any shape, image or form, so he can be imagined by people in any way shape or form they want, to aid in prayer or meditation.
In fact , you can draw your own picture of that formless truth in any shape or color, and that would be fine.
Posted by: guru21 | August 8, 2010 8:05 PM
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Human is one of many animals on this universe. What differentiate human from rest of the animals is it's logical capabilities.
Religion and myth are product of the human's logical capability. Religions are human creations and is backed by myth, religions are not natural phenomenon.
No two human brains can think same and hence not to have same behavior or outcome. Myth behind religions came to existence is to keep two human on same platform for to have same behavior for sake of better life and man kind.It's that simple.
Posted by: katrodiya | August 8, 2010 8:19 PM
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The notion that hindus worship idols is wrong. Idols are a medium, or rather one of the media, for hindus to communicate with Almighty. When we talk over the phone, we don't talk TO the phone but THROUGH the phone to the other person. The person on the other side is significant, not the phone. To a blind observer, it appears that we are talking to the phone. Similarly, we use idols or various other symbols to reach out to the higher power. Idols themselves are not significant. So we have many idols, but only ONE God.
Posted by: jagan2 | August 8, 2010 8:27 PM
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Who the hell is GGJEY123?
Being an Indian, he or she is not aware of Hindu rituals, rights and god. Maybe he is some one from Muslim or Christian community who is just trying to defame his fellow people.
For his knowledge, that is not called elephant god, it’s Lord Ganesha and other one is Lord Hanuman.
Posted by: avishekhkumarjha | August 8, 2010 8:29 PM
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Hollywood Hindus are to religion as G.I. Joe dolls are to soldiers.
Posted by: ThisIsReality | August 8, 2010 8:31 PM
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Julia Robert was exploited by her fellow people that’s why she chose to become Hindu. NO HINDU priest or religious group persuaded her to adopt Hinduism, so please stop debating over this now.
Posted by: avishekhkumarjha | August 8, 2010 8:38 PM
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ROHIT57, you said,
“I think before we say that God does not exist we do need a definition … But there is no such definition.”
OK, but if there is no universal definition of god, how can any body say that an “universal” god exists? If there is no definition nor claims, it's not necessary for an atheist to say that this kind of god doesn't exists.
Nevertheless, the most frequent discussions are about specific gods of specifics religions.
Posted by: JUSTACOMMENT | August 8, 2010 8:43 PM
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'The notion that hindus worship idols is wrong. Idols are a medium, or rather one of the media, for hindus to communicate with Almighty. When we talk over the phone, we don't talk TO the phone but THROUGH the phone to the other person. The person on the other side is significant, not the phone. To a blind observer, it appears that we are talking to the phone. Similarly, we use idols or various other symbols to reach out to the higher power. Idols themselves are not significant. So we have many idols, but only ONE God.'
good point. the hindus talk on many different phones to the guy at the other end. christians speak on one phone and the muslims go without a handset.
these people all claim that theirs is the best way to reach the other guy and try to brainwash us.
i say there is nobody at the other end. these guys are wasting their whole lives arguing about a guy at the other end who is unreachable because he does not exist.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 8:46 PM
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Hinduism is nothing more than a myth and it's really funny to believe humans can be this brain dead.
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The roots of the diverse set of religious beliefs, traditions and philosophy of Hindus were laid during the Vedic age which originated in India between 2000 and 1500 BC.[24] The ancient Vedic religion is considered by most scholars as the predecessor of the modern religion of Hindus[25] and it has had a profound impact on India's history, culture and philosophy. The Vedas are the oldest sacred books of Hinduism and lay the foundation of several schools of Hindu thought.[26] The Upanishads refers to those scriptures which form the core teachings of the Vedānta philosophy.[27] Adi Shankara's commentaries on the Upanishads led to the rise of Advaita Vedanta, the most influential sub-school of Vedanta.
Hinduism, its religious doctrines, traditions and observances are very typical and inextricably linked to the culture and demographics of India. Hinduism has one of the most ethnically diverse bodies of adherents in the world. It is hard to classify Hinduism as a religion because the framework, symbols, leaders and books of reference that make up a typical religion are not uniquely identified in the case of Hinduism. Hinduism is almost 4,000 years old. Most commonly it can be seen as a "way of life" which gives rise to many other civilized forms of religions.
Large tribes and communities indigenous to India are closely linked to the synthesis and formation of Hindu civilization. People of East Asian roots living in the states of north eastern India and Nepal were also a part of the earliest Hindu civilization. Immigration and settlement of people from Central Asia and people of Indo-Greek heritage have brought their own influence on Hindu society.
The roots of Hinduism in southern India, and amongst tribal and indigenous communities is just as ancient and fundamentally contributive to the foundations of the religious and philosophical system.
Ancient Hindu kingdoms arose and spread the religion and traditions across South East Asia, particularly Thailand, Nepal, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, and what is now central Vietnam. A form of Hinduism particularly different from Indian roots and traditions is practiced in Bali, Indonesia, where Hindus form 90% of the population. Indian migrants have taken Hinduism and Hindu culture to South Africa, Fiji, Mauritius and other countries in and around the Indian Ocean, and in the nations of the West Indies and the Caribbean.
Posted by: avishekhkumarjha | August 8, 2010 8:47 PM
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the hindu-muslim couple gave their kids muslim names.he converted to islam(to the shock of his religiously conservative hindu parents) because she married him on the condition that he would convert to islam.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 5:50 PM
Hindu never subjugates anyone to adopt their religion. We have firm respect for all religion.
Posted by: avishekhkumarjha | August 8, 2010 8:51 PM
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islam was founded by an uneducated,illiterate guy who lived among sheep,goats and camels. he was mentally sick and had delusions in a desert cave.the rest of the mental retards around him fared no better and the whole thing spread like cancer.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 8:55 PM
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'Hindu never subjugates anyone to adopt their religion. We have firm respect for all religion'
true. julia roberts,america's hindu sweetheart,won't knock on peoples door with a bhagvad gita in hand, to try and convert them to hinduism. and hindus won't frame a christian on claims of defiling the gita(blasphemy) and kill them,like muslims.
but hindus like all others will try to brainwash the rest of us
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 9:00 PM
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I would also like to add, as another commentator pointed out, that Hinduism is not a religion, per say ... it is a lifestyle. It is a way of life. It is something you are, not something you follow.
Posted by: sknyluv | August 8, 2010 9:11 PM
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Clearly this is Obama's fault. Just kidding- can't believe no one has said that yet.
Freedom of religion is a core principle of American government and we do a decent job of supporting it legally. However, culturally, the only acceptable religions are Christian religions. This is most likely due to history than to any narrow minded-ness particular to the US. Christianity seems weird to people who have been Hindu or Buddhist for thousands of years, just as those religions seem odd to us. And white women in sari's look odd to both sides of the cultural divide.
But weird is not the same as wrong. The world is becoming more connected. Hanging on to the differences of the past is becoming less important than building together a future that honors us all.
I think it is great that Julia's interest in Hinduism gives us all a chance to look at this ancient religion with interest instead of fear and judgement. I think her religious ideas are infinitely more interesting than Paris Hilton's underwear choices- and that gets plenty of press.
PS- my favorite comment is Hookedonthepost 's version of the ten commandments.
Posted by: eagle2roost | August 8, 2010 9:28 PM
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Julia Roberts rules. She has a house in Venice Beach,CA. Maybe she has one in Spain too and knows where my Freshman Spanish teacher from Pacific Grove High School,Ellen Martin lives. I left my senior will to her in the Class of 2001 Pacific Grove High School Senior Paper.
Posted by: ltsypkin | August 8, 2010 10:09 PM
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Hinduism may have a spiritual side but it is essentially a bunch of outdated superstitions. The elephant is powerful, therefore a God. The rat is resourceful, so a God. The cow, why not. What about amoeba etc.
I have lived in India and found the poverty, violent pogroms (inc. anti-Muslim, Sikh and Christian riots not to mention the Untouchables), greed, backstabbing, Caste discrimination (against dark-skinned, lower castes etc.) disguisting. Indians are shown as peaceful meditators when in fact they riot like crazy and lose their temper like nothing.
Actually, go to ANY country with a large Hindu population (India, Fiji, Guyana, Trinidad, etc.) and you will find high levels of poverty, crime and backwardness.
Roberts, another flakey Hollywood star joining a new thing- this joins Kabbalaism, Scientology, crazy Jesus freaks (e.g. Stephen Baldwin), etc. Pathetic!!!
Posted by: akhtarman | August 8, 2010 10:17 PM
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the islamists are the worst.they teach their kids that to blow themselves up is a blessing.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 10:39 PM
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even moderate muslims in pakistan say that islamic countries like pakistan just create muslims in their schools. the kids are taught to hate non-muslims and even other muslim sects(ahmadis and shias) who are being persecuted. the 5 percent religious minority in pakistan(which includes christians) feel very insecure according to the new york times.
and these guys criticize every other relegion.hinduism included.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 10:46 PM
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Namaste Julia. Other than announcing it as her personal religious choice I can't find much newsworthy in this article. Must be a slow news day.
Posted by: Desertdiva1 | August 8, 2010 11:09 PM
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'the hindu-muslim couple gave their kids muslim names.he converted to islam(to the shock of his religiously conservative hindu parents) because she married him on the condition that he would convert to islam'
he must have been physically attracted to her.that's one way it can happen.
the other day an evangelist,a lady, knocked on my door. she was very pretty. that's one way to convert people.send seductive women to their doors.
Posted by: calm1 | August 8, 2010 11:18 PM
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A fluff piece. Who gives a damn about what religion Julia Roberts practices. Now, if
the article reported that Ms Roberts was an atheist that would have meant something at the box office...a reflection about Americans, not about Ms Roberts.
Posted by: probashi | August 8, 2010 11:28 PM
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A Muslim suicide bomber is usually one or two people. In India, e.g. Gujurat and Bombay, the riots are done by tens of thousands of people. This include Hindu seniors, women, teens and men who all joined in. They kill hundreds or thousands and the Indian police/military overlook everything.
The Indian army does nothing. The government does nothing. Where is the justice for the tens of thousands of Sikhs killed by Hindu mob fanatics after Ghandi's assasination. Where is the punishment of the Hindu mob fanatics who killed tens of thousands of Muslims in Gujurat?
However, when minorities set off a bomb and kills a few Hindu people, the Hindu Indian Government has to fight them in bring them to 'justice' in the name of fighting terror! Fascist Hypocrites.
Posted by: akhtarman | August 8, 2010 11:29 PM
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Calm1 wrote:
"if reincarnation and soul exist, prove it to me. you can't prove it."
I cannot offer a mathematical proof. But I can only speculate with whatever cranial powers I claim to have.
On reincarnation my speculation goes thus, and that speculation assumes there is a supernatural power (whom Hindus call "Bhagwan" or God), and that power is just and wise.
So, consider the reality that two babies are born at the same time in two distinct houses - one is extremely affluent and the other is in abject poverty. The two babies shall most likely undergo a chasm of differences in their future lifestyle and hence survival under normal circumstances.
One would speculate if a just and a loving God (Almighty) existed why would He punish one baby with such poverty and reward the other with so much affluence ? What crimes have one of the babies (nascent) done being just born into the world ? If we assume that God knows everything then He must know something that we cannot fathom about this mystery. This is my speculation about reincarnation. (Again this is not a mathematically deductive proof; it is a speculation, and assumes existence of a superpower called "God".)
Regarding soul's existence, I suggest reading An Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramhansa Yoganananda. The author speculates on the existence of the soul based on Einstein's theory. (But I read it long ago, and hence cannot remember the details.)
However I have an afterthought: it is only in the Hindu culture that atheism is recognized. But that atheism does not debate whether God exists or not. Instead it emphasizes that the world is material and it is humans are embossed in this materialistic society. So, surviving well in such a material world should be the motto of humans. Thinking about philosophical thoughts are fine, but to the detriment of one's own material development. So, if you are an atheist Hindu culture can provide you with a home, even if you are a half-sikh.
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Calm1 wrote:
"islam was founded by an uneducated,illiterate guy who lived among sheep,goats and camels. he was mentally sick and had delusions in a desert cave.the rest of the mental retards around him fared no better and the whole thing spread like cancer."
Yeah, true. But his followers (chamchas) are winning and killing ...winning and killing ... History is written by winners ... Right ?
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 12:07 AM
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'Yeah, true. But his followers (chamchas) are winning and killing ...winning and killing ... History is written by winners ... Right ?'
what have they won ? nothing.
Posted by: calm1 | August 9, 2010 12:10 AM
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Calm1 wrote:
"i have been into a few caves and a 'God' never spoke to me."
Because you did not go to the actual cave where a God was relaxing ... Or, maybe you did not have some seductive lady with you in that cave...
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 12:12 AM
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islamists have given their religion,and religion in general, a poor image with suicide bombings,violence both sectarian and against non-muslims, terrorist attacks around the world and persecution of minorities.
other religions create social divisions too.christianity tries to imposes it's belief system over america as well and there is a constant social conflict over gay rights and abortion,and church versus state.
the middle east(israel and palestine) is screwed up by religion,as are afghanistan and the indian subcontinent.
agnosticism is the best for all societies. without religion there would be one less cause for violence and divisiveness in the world.
and as i said,to thine own self be true. don't care about what religions say
Posted by: calm1 | August 9, 2010 12:20 AM
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'Because you did not go to the actual cave where a God was relaxing ... Or, maybe you did not have some seductive lady with you in that cave'
let's not get personal here.besides you are missing the whole point.religions use human sexuality to convert people.
Posted by: calm1 | August 9, 2010 12:23 AM
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'Because you did not go to the actual cave where a God was relaxing ...'
No. God is just a delusion of the mind. "God" does not exist.
Posted by: calm1 | August 9, 2010 12:25 AM
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Proving that soul and reincarnation exist to a human bound by senses of this world is futile. It is like telling that the room in which you are sitting and watching a TV can also be invaded by dinosaurs. However the latter is possible if you admit that a infinite-multidimensional universe with parallels exist.
Dr. Michio Kaku, a renowned physicist at NASA has mathematically speculated that such a multidimensional universe can indeed exist. Mathematicians do not rule out the possibility and counter-argue that just as a Higgs boson has yet not been experimentally verified, so also even if tofday the multidimensional world has not been experimentally verified, it is mathematically possible. Dr. Kaku argues that we humans are limited by our narrow perceptions. This narrowness in perception is a reason to believe that the atheists are asking for tangible proof because to them "seeing is believing". Unfortunately in this age of quantum physics, relativity etc., progress is not made on the availability of tangible proof. If available, excellent ! If not, speculate. That's the trend of the scientific logic (particle physics) these days. So, asking for proof all the time sounds somewhat infantile given the complexity of such problems.
I recommend the following books that maybe helpful in drawing ideas from physics to appreciate eastern mysticism which is connected to the Hindu way of thinking.
1. Michio Kaku, PARALLEL WORLDS: A JOURNEY THROUGH CREATION, HIGHER DIMENSIONS AND THE FUTURE OF COSMOS. (2006)
2. Fritjof Capra, THE TAO OF PHYSICS: AN EXPLORATION OF PARALLELS BETWEEN MODERN PHYSICS AND EASTERN MYSTICISM. (2000).
Of course the books and their contents are for those having a healthy skepticism. They are not for the stubborn. I also feel a discussion on the twio books would take us too far away from the mainstream of the discussion.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 12:32 AM
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'On reincarnation my speculation goes thus...'
this is pure arbitrariness.
Posted by: calm1 | August 9, 2010 12:34 AM
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"islamists have given their religion.."
That's a wrong statement. Read the Quran (English translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali). Sam Harris makes it very emphatic in his book about what the Quran says. It's the doctrine of the Quran that explicitly espouses violence against those who are non-Muslims and will not convert. The goal of Islam is to Islamize the entire planet by active persuasion or by use of force if necessary.
Exaltation at suicide bombings by Muslim radicals finds its support in the Quran (004:095). Read the English translation and find it out for yourself. It is NOT like Muslims are intentionally doing it. It's their religion that wants them to use violence to further the goal of Islam.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 12:37 AM
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"this is pure arbitrariness."
Stating that soul and reincarnation does not exist, is also arbitrary. There is nothing shining about being dismissive.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 12:40 AM
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"what have they won ? nothing."
No they did. They have earned the disrespect and that Islam (radical) version is well-known to all Americans, who are normally ignorant about anything beyond their counties.
Everybody knows the violence that can be unleashed by radical Muslims, through beheadings, bombings and mindless killings. They have not earned anything constructive; but indeed Islam for good and bad reasons is a factor in all global political decision making. Everybody knows that Muslims can pose a serious threat if their demands are not met. (Probably that's why the mosque at ground zero is getting built.)
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 12:46 AM
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'Proving that soul and reincarnation exist to a human bound by senses of this world is futile. It ..'
all this is all not a convincing argument.just more arbitrariness that obfuscates the whole question.
Posted by: calm1 | August 9, 2010 12:47 AM
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'Everybody knows that Muslims can pose a serious threat if their demands are not met. (Probably that's why the mosque at ground zero is getting built.) '
maybe it's because it happened in new york. nobody cares in new york. they'll vote for gay rights and building a mosque on ground zero.
if 9/11 had happened in the bible belt, they would have not allowed a mosque on the spot.
who knows ? but islam has the worst world image among all religions in the non-muslim world. radical hindus and jews do not try to blow up times square.
Posted by: calm1 | August 9, 2010 12:54 AM
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"all this is all not a convincing argument.just more arbitrariness that obfuscates the whole question."
Perhaps you are unaware or unable to follow that in modern physics such arbitrariness in postulates and theory is commonplace, and most scientists live with it. It maybe uncomfortable, but as the present day situation shows that complexities of the problems in modern physics allow quite a fair degree of arbitrariness even in their respective mathematical formalisms.
My point is why would metaphysics (which is closer to spirituality and other forms transcendentalism in search for soul or reincarnation etc.) be any different ? Going by the questions in physics and the answers that are posed, I believe that it is quite childish to expect a foolproof closed answer on such ill-defined issues.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 1:12 AM
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I can't understand why anyone would give a tinker's damn about what any actor or actress thinks about religion or politics. She's an airhead and her career is tanking. Maybe this is a publicity stunt.
Posted by: Afraid4USA | August 9, 2010 6:58 AM
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And I had thought that Shirley Temple was "America's sweetheart". Where have I been?
Who cares what Julia Roberts or Tom Cruise's faiths are before or now? As long as they make movies I want to see.
And nice to see "Deb Chatterjee" and "Jai Khosla" not ranting and venting so much against Islam and Muslims in this thread, but to speak of Hinduism in a positive way for a change.
Posted by: Jihadist | August 9, 2010 9:46 AM
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Do any of the commentators carping about this article being trite and trivial appreciate the irony of their statement, i.e., "Who cares what a movie star believes?" If they didn't care, they wouldn't bother to comment. It is obvious that they care and are bothered by a well known celebrity dissing their cherished faith or lack of faith. They are taking a not very convincing passive aggressive tactic, feigning disdain.
Posted by: csintala79 | August 9, 2010 9:58 AM
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To my experience, people asking, "Is America Ready For A...." is the same thing as saying, "Become un-ready for this, America!"
"Is America ready for Pagans in interfaith discussions?" implies there both ought to be a 'debate' and that it's up to someone with a problem.
Maybe it'd be a different discussion if it was phrased like, "'America's Sweetheart' Is Revealed to be Hindu, Who's Going To Develop A Problem, Now."
Or "Will Undefined People Start Freaking Out On Behalf Of Other Undefined People About A Black/Interracial President?"
Or "Does Rock Hudson Turning Out To Have Been Gay Mean Something About Hollywood?"
Posted by: APaganplace | August 9, 2010 12:29 PM
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Incidentally, on this issue:
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"this is pure arbitrariness."
Stating that soul and reincarnation does not exist, is also arbitrary. There is nothing shining about being dismissive.
Posted by: DebChatterjee""
True enough. 'Reincarnation' tends to get a bad name from all those people claiming they were Cleopatra.
But, for what it's worth, I was one of those kids born remembering past-life stuff. If one wanted to get existential about it, one could debate whether they were 'my' memories or I just had a subscription to the Akashic Record Of The Month Club, but I do also think such navel-gazing is moot given what we call karma.
It's not like Hollywood, but as a matter of fact, if circumstances are right, one can derive a lot from vivid images, if one has the inclination. Our tendency to construct narratives or ignore such things tends to make talk of reincarnation fluffy, indeed, but you'd be surprised what can be found on the Internet and/or with some legwork, if you remember the right *kinds* of details.
Nothing unfamiliar to the same kinds of reports from relatively-small population areas where everyone knows everyone's business and is watching for returning relatives. Just the opposite, among the information overload. People record *everything,* recently, from the patents of what you remember handling to who bought them to how they could be where you're remebering being, even in some cases, 'I died here' often means a *police report on microfiche somewhere.*
The temptation for monotheistic people is to get wound up in ghost stories and never be impelled to *actually check things out.*
For the same reason I suggest that maybe not everyone who remembers 'may have already won some Ascended Masterhood,'
Maybe it just means you, however-verifiably, did the 'wrong' thing for what seemed like all the right reasons at the time.
It leaves you with a choice: double-down on the same blindness, or try to make it right.
Nothing I found out 'proves' anything, because there's no way to prove I didn't look it up *first.*
What I do know is that when you *do* find out, 'proving' something is the last priority.
So, no, I don't advise being arbitrary. Even people without much to document or a need to consciously-remember have a way of coming home again.
Gods know there were a lot of dead soldiers in my age group as a kid. Denying the possibility surely did not help the children we were.
Gods help those who are used to all these true-to-life movies: everyone'll think they were Rambo or something. :)
Posted by: APaganplace | August 9, 2010 1:03 PM
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Yep, thanks Jihadist for sharing your positive views about anti-Islamists like me.
Female muslim suicide bombers shall wreck havoc in 2012, a corollary that follows from Nostradamus's dire predictions.
Good to see that you are still there under the burqa/hijab. Allah Hafiz !
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 1:05 PM
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Anyway, the point of all that is, that maybe arguing about what's 'proof,' especially compared to people talking about books. I've had all the proof I need, and proof enough to know that maybe finding the people you most would want to see in the world isn't *about* 'proving' anything or convincing anyone of anything, ...just maybe, even, seeing they're OK, smiling, and letting them go. I think that's why we tend to forget in the first place.
It's just a fact to me. What people make of it is... Too much about preconceptions. People are taught to react with fear and feel that if people have souls, their own are in peril somehow, cause 'souls' are supposed to be manufactured and shunted away to a Heaven or Hell. (Or for that matter, one caste or another)
Ain't so. It's cooler than that.
Cooler than the grandiosity of many New Agers, too.
Maybe acting 'once-born' all the time really isn't helping our world. Maybe, recognizing we've been here before in one shape or another, and are likely to be again, is better than treating Earth like a prep school you'd like to blow up on graduation day.
Just sayin. :)
Posted by: APaganplace | August 9, 2010 1:21 PM
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Apaganplace:
We do not know how the mind works. Neuroscientists are trying their best, but so far have failed to get any clue. BTW, because the neuroscientists have failed, does not mean that we should abandon science. It would be similar to that of the Christian fundamentalists who have equated intelligent design as science. Teaching intelligent desin a school curiculum is OK with me, but specifically not in a science class.
Can our brain remember the past or can it see the future ? I do not know for sure, but examples/incidents exist that have been verified by some curious Joe and they have not been dismissed as hogwash. Some of the claims are, but those that were not could not be explained by the laws/perceptions defining the boundaries of modern science.
Thus, if you do observe some incident and on a fairly repeated basis, and, cannot explain it to the best of your abilities based on the existing body of knowledge, then what can it be said ?
A more mundane example is astrology. Yes, it is not a part of the natural sciences like physics or chemistry. But why ? Predicting events in future or telling your past and present is what the star gazers do. However it is my experience that while many astrologers are crooks, many could accurately predict events in past, present and future that are astounding.
The problem with scientists is that they have NOT discovered any natural laws that can help explain why these astrologers can predict what they predict.
Astrology is a statistical phenomenon with
laws probability playing an integral part. But, we still do not know what physical laws maybe governing such predictions. Once you don't know you start making statistical tabulations and then calculating the probability of an event occurring. This is basically how close I can go. But, we fully don't understand that why such predictions work or do not work.
However we live in a deterministic world; we are comfortable if we can determine a-priori what the issue is. But if we cannot determine what the nature is, we feel threatened about our mental faculties. Therein dwells the demon of fundamentalism. That's something as a Hindu I shall continue to abhor.
"Seek and ye shall find" - Jesus Christ.
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 1:22 PM
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Female muslim suicide bombers shall wreck havoc in 2012, a corollary that follows from Nostradamus's dire predictions.
Good to see that you are still there under the burqa/hijab. Allah Hafiz !
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Thanks for the prediction Deb. I'm sure it will be 100% accurate as you believe it.
My burqa/hijab/niqab will keep off all the fallout dust of Armageddon in 2012.
^_^
Posted by: Jihadist | August 9, 2010 1:40 PM
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what all we are fighting for, I believe the most important religion in this world is humanity, love and effection no matter if you are christian, hindu or muslim.
Posted by: virat_86 | August 9, 2010 2:37 PM
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what all we are fighting for, I believe the most important religion in this world is humanity, love and effection no matter if you are christian, hindu or muslim.
Posted by: virat_86 | August 9, 2010 2:37 PM
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who the hell is this?
Posted by: ajha06 | August 9, 2010 2:58 PM
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Go ask your mother...
Posted by: virat_86 | August 9, 2010 2:59 PM
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virat_86
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Are you nuts?
Posted by: ajha06 | August 9, 2010 3:00 PM
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No I am peanuts...
Posted by: virat_86 | August 9, 2010 3:03 PM
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Jihadist... What kind of name is this ? Are you a hardliner ?
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I am sure you are al qaeda or Laskar-e-toiba agent..... pathetic man.
Posted by: ajha06 | August 9, 2010 3:08 PM
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Jihadist... What kind of name is this ? Are you a hardliner ?
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A "name" taken on as a dare by a friend who told me about "On Faith" and seeing all those effusive, excitable self-designated, self style "anti-jihadists", anti-Islamists" etc in "On Faith.
*_-
Posted by: Jihadist | August 9, 2010 3:58 PM
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No, This name is used by extremists to kill people and to carry out unwanted extremist activities.
Posted by: virat_86 | August 9, 2010 4:04 PM
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I am sure you are al qaeda or Laskar-e-toiba agent..... pathetic man.
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Nahhhhh....I'm a Muslim agent of the ultra Hindu-Indian chauvinistic-nationalistic wing of the BJP. I'm also also a member of the Flat Earth group and an honorary member of the Flying Spaghetti Monster adherents.
(+_+)
Posted by: Jihadist | August 9, 2010 4:10 PM
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Hi Jihadist.
You may be a nice person but you shouldn't use the word 'Jihadist' in this global blog site.
I am a Hindu, but it does not mean that I hate Muslims or others. I love Islam religion, but I just hate some people from your communities who claim them selves to be 'JIHADI'.
Posted by: ajha06 | August 9, 2010 4:28 PM
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You may be a nice person but you shouldn't use the word 'Jihadist' in this global blog site.
I am a Hindu, but it does not mean that I hate Muslims or others. I love Islam religion, but I just hate some people from your communities who claim them selves to be 'JIHADI'.
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"Jihadist" in the negative a western construct. There's the "Lesser Jihad. There's the "Greater Jihad". There's the "mujahid" and the "mujahideen" into "Lesser Jihad".
The problems are certainly with self-styled "mujahid" and "mujahideen" claiming to be pursuing "Lesser Jihad" in the name of Islam and Muslims. The sort who resort to terrorism.
Namaste and bye.
Posted by: Jihadist | August 9, 2010 6:27 PM
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""paganplace:
We do not know how the mind works. Neuroscientists are trying their best, but so far have failed to get any clue. ""
Well, I so notice that when I describe my own experiences 'human minds' tend to get pretty incoherent. I suppose that'd just be another case against tring to 'prove' anything.
You should see what happens when something gets 'proven' too hard and there are sticks handy.
Posted by: APaganplace | August 9, 2010 7:18 PM
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And, Deb:
""Can our brain remember the past or can it see the future ? ""
Yes! Sorting such things *out* is annoyingly-like high-school calvulus, but, *yes!*
Sturgeon's Law applies:
(Sturgeon's Law: 98 percent of everything is junk.)
If you accept that, there's a heck of a two percent.
It's not Hollywood,, but whoa.
People who want to believe they 'Know everything' .... Will look? Don't think so.
""I do not know for sure, but examples/incidents exist that have been verified by some curious Joe and they have not been dismissed as hogwash. Some of the claims are, but those that were not could not be explained by the laws/perceptions defining the boundaries of modern science.""
I'm hardly against what science could know: I could prove an awful lot from *my* point of view, but the fact is, a) If I did, I couldn't prove I didn't look up the obscure details *first,* and b) The funny thing about *knowing* is, proving anything to the likes of you drops *way* down on the priority list.
Put yourself in my shoes: if you found out who some loved ones in a recent life were, *would* you go inrtoduce yourself, even if maybe that was the thing you most wanted to do in the world?
If you really loved them, you might not. I am not prepared to present 'extraordinary proof' for such 'extraordinary claims,' .... but to some it's not so extraordinary at alll.
And, as much as I might like to debate cosmology, well, if you want arbitrary, I won't tell you who some people are for the *world.* And I actually care about the world, unlike some.
It's not arbitrary, though, it's cause I'd rather you think I was a crank than bring trouble to people I know I loved.
Sorry. I son't expect you to 'believe' me, but I *do* expect you'll recognize the possibility that it 'ain't arbitrary.'
Before you go defining the universe or something.
See?
Posted by: APaganplace | August 9, 2010 7:35 PM
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And I still say that when the press says, 'Is America Ready for Blah?'
They're trying to make cash off some kind of 'not ready.'
Posted by: APaganplace | August 9, 2010 7:37 PM
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Apaganplace:
If I knew who my loved ones from my past life were in the present life, I would go and check it out with them for verification.
I root for science and its progress. And, as a Hindu, I believe that God loves those who pursue science. :-)
Posted by: DebChatterjee | August 9, 2010 8:50 PM
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Most Americans are secular humanists. They could probably care less about Hinduism. At least julia has faith in something...
Posted by: jykmoy | August 9, 2010 10:13 PM
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We are truly proud that an extremely intelligent, talented and woman, has found the wisdom and values in Indian religion worth adopting. It is in stark contrast to the poor uneducated villagers who are bribed into converting to Christianity in remote interiors of India, where shamefully, development has been slow. Knowledge about Indian traditions has become irrelevant in front of poverty and hunger to those poor folks. Money from the west is buying them into Christianity. There is no death threat in India, obviously, and there are millions of Christians to welcome them. Islam is a one way street where guys can become a Muslim but find it almost impossible to leave. Converting a Muslim means death penalty in Islam! Not in Hinduism. So let this give and take continue! Give us the Hollywood icons, and you can help our poor folks in the name of Jesus. Hopefully one day they will revert back to their old faith! Wait till I prove that Jesus himself taught Indian non-violence, AHIMSHA, MOKSHA, NIRVANA, TAPASHYA, etc.
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 10, 2010 1:07 AM
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A lot of people mistakenly assume that Mahatma Gandhi followed the principal of Christianity. What they don't realize is that Gandhi, a proud Indian, followed Indian non-violent philosophy, they reason there are so many Muslims left in India although almost 100% Indian Muslims supported the creation of Pakistan, and caused the division of our country into three. Christ did come across Indian asceticism, and non-violent, Sankhya Philosophy, and vegetarianism, probably through John the Baptist who had found it earlier. His Eastern 'Gnostic' 'secret' knowledge made him the Saviour of the World!
Posted by: nickmukherjee | August 10, 2010 1:19 AM
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"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father but by me"
If there is somebody who can walk on water or turn water into wine other than Jesus, then probably Julia's conversion has sense.
But there is nobody who can exceed or equal what Christ did so it only means that her conversion is a product of STUPIDITY.
Posted by: spidermean2 | August 10, 2010 1:20 AM
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Julia should live in India so she can experience first hand what this religion has done to their believers. Dalits or slaves are legalize upon the prodding of their religion.
Holy cow! They even give food to monkeys in a temple thinking they are some kind of god and forget about giving food to Dalits.
Posted by: spidermean2 | August 10, 2010 1:24 AM
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religion and philosophy defy all meaningful analysis and reason.
good for julia though.
Posted by: calm1 | August 10, 2010 2:07 AM
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calm1 wrote "religion and philosophy defy all meaningful analysis and reason."
Sure, coming from a man of "reason". I bet you can't even define what it means.
True and false religions exists. If you can't distinguish the difference between the two, you are way out of reason.
Posted by: spidermean2 | August 10, 2010 2:20 AM
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Roberts, it seems, has no problems with it. Americans, however, seem to have many problems with Hinduism. Let's see if we can remedy that. First, regarding the correlations between Hinduism itself and the ethno- and social conditions, this arises from a condition from which all faiths suffer. When first articulated, faiths arise, clean, clear, and pristine. As time passes, they suffer pollution (and eventually, they die. Rather like humans, they are born and acquire bodies - in this case, temples, mosques, churches, etc. - and inhabiting those bodies, souls - the congregation of the faithful. Eventually, however, the souls of religions die and all that remains are ruins - the same remains that human bodies likewise leave behind: broken bones, broken stones). Buddha attempted to reform Hinduism as it was already by then - ca. 600BC - polluted, rather in the same manner that Mohammad attempted to reform the Abramic faiths [and yes, that's quite correct to say; not "Abrahamic," but instead, "Abramic." Any philologist will quickly explain why.] But the stale-and-vicious charge that Hindus were EVER polytheists can only be hurled by individuals who never availed themselves of Rig Veda or the Upanishads. From Svetasvatara Upanishad, we learn this: "The One who, himself without color, by manifold application of His power, distributes many colors in his hidden purpose...He is God! May he endow us with clear intellect." In point of fact, there has never existed a polytheistic society. Rather, the error - if at all - arose (with regard specifically to Hinduism) from British Orientalists who first translated the Sanskrit. Hinduism is no more polytheism than the faith of Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, Porphyry, Iamblichus, or Hypatia. Finally, regarding pollution of religions, we Christians (I am Catholic, but have traced every faith to its origins, from Inuit to Maori to Zend and so forth) are in error ourselves, for by doctrinaire, we have erroenously paid honors of a God to a man (a glorious, enlightened, superb man whose doctrine was once pure and clean, as was Rig Veda for the Hindus). For Roberts' part, should she keep as her rudder Rig Veda and the Upanishads, she cannot commit error, for the truths there found are exactly the same truths uttered in all faiths [when at once they are young and not-yet-polluted]. Finally, Hinduism is remarkable enough to have absorbed all faiths that visited India and remained un-errant. The ancient Indians stamped coins for both Pythagoras and Jesus, and applied to each special names. That alone should be sufficient proof of their inviolate doctrine. True it is that over aeons, the caste system imposed physically the same misunderstandings that theologically issued about both dharma and karma, but that is by no fault of Hinduism's founders. The Vedanta gradually because poisoned in this manner. Americans ought occasionally crack a book.
Posted by: ediptllc | August 10, 2010 2:36 AM
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Catholicism is NOT Christianity. No Christian would burn a Bible but Catholicism has been the worst destroyers of Bibles.
They even burned Bibles in Afghanistan.
Posted by: spidermean2 | August 10, 2010 2:52 AM
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To spidermean2:
Catholicism is the spring from whence all Christianity flows (save that which Mother Church sought to suppress, contained in the jar discovered in Egypt in the 1940s. In that jar, there are Gospels Mother Church cannot ever embrace, for there, we find Philip's extensive and angry letter about the false and absurd assertions regarding resurrection, misapplication of the term "prostitution," and finally, 110-some-odd statements recorded as "Words of the Living Jesus." Statements such as, when interrogated by the multitude about the Mosaic law of circumcision, Jesus reportedly replies that "If man was meant to be this way, he would issue that way from his mother." Or in other words, "That defies logic and nature. Next case.") Save the Church itself, Christianity would not today exist. Hence, that is a curious statement, indeed. To which may be added, Christians owe the Catholic Church an immeasurable debt for not merely preserving important materials, but also erecting universities and other such institutions. Put another way, it's difficult to find another establishment that can say "Serving Christians everywhere since 329 AD." Whatever Bible you read, you must at least admit this: but for Jerome - however bad his translations were - you would not be holding that Bible in your hand. And whilst we're at it, Christmas is most assuredly NOT "the reason for the season." This was enacted by the Church to coincide with Natalis Solis Invicti, the very same ritual that the Egyptians applied to Osiris returning (and thus, the Greeks did likewise, re Pluto and Persephone). The fact is, many modern American Protestants owe their existing doctrine to either a) Henry VIII's desire to dump Catherine; or b) Luther recognizing that indulgences was a degenerate practice. But in either case, absent the Church proper, Christianity would have died long ago.
Posted by: ediptllc | August 10, 2010 3:19 AM
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You call this news? Who gives a hoot what religion Julia Roberts practices? She is a lovely woman and a fine actress. That's quite enough for me.
Mark Gary Blumenthal, MD, MPH
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Posted by: bloommarko4 | August 10, 2010 8:22 AM
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An inspired article, Ms. Tenety, albeit not so inspiriting as the picture of Roberts, whose color choice for her Hindu attire shows exquisite sensitivity to her current hair tint and complexion.
I shall study to imitate.
Posted by: farnaz_mansouri2 | August 10, 2010 8:31 AM
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If there was no Catholicism, Christianity would have been in a much favorable state than how it's viewed for centuries by other religions.
The world only prospered when the Bible began to be reproduced to be read by the masses. Prior to this Catholicism has been very effective in shutting out the Bible beyond the reach of the masses.
Catholicsm even officially supports Darwinian Evolution which is the devil's "science".
Posted by: spidermean2 | August 10, 2010 9:40 AM
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I can't imagine what caring about this might feel like. This story has no meaning. Your attempt to insist that I care simply annoys me.
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Posted by: ZZim | August 6, 2010 1:12 PM
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I think I can relate. That's also how little I care about your beliefs.
Posted by: trambusto | August 10, 2010 11:12 AM
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www.equalsouls.org
Historically Christian and Muslim faiths have their roots in Judaism, Abraham.
so at their core concepts about the soul, creation and God are all the same.
I would like to address certain linguistic and philosophical similarities common to both Jews and Hindus, which may open up a broader discussion.
1. Names of God,
a. The most holy of all names of God for a Jew is KNA or KANA, Rabbi's have slapped my face when I have said this name out loud.
This is considered to be the most intimate name for God in the Old Testament. Where it is translated, "I am a jealous God,
have no other gods before you", the literal Hebrew translation is, "My name is EL KNA, have no other gods before you."
This name expands to KRE ShTN as Rabbi Aryeh Kapln,in Meditation and the Kabbalah explains
"On Monday, you must intertwine the associated name "KRE ShTN""
b, From a Vedic (Hindu) view point, Kana is also an affectionate name of Krishna, The pronunciation used above "KRE ShTN" is very similar to
the way south Indians pronounce Krishna.
2. Abraham and Brahma: Very few know that there are two Abrahams in Jewish philosophy
a. There is a description of how the universe was in chaos until Abraham appeared. It is said, "Over the whole, there hovered Tohu (chaos)
and as long as Tohu dominated, the whole world was not in being or existence. When did that key open the gates and make the world fruitful?
It was when Abraham appeared." [Genesis II 4] As explained in the introduction to the Zohar The Soncino Press LTD--London New York
There is also this reference one needs to ponder It is said, "Angels are supposed to have no back and four faces, so always to be able to behold God."
[Talmud, cf. Ezek i. 6]
b. In the First Canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, there is a long description of how Brahma created the planets, stars etc. It is well know that the Brahma
of this universe has 4 heads.
Posted by: 108108 | August 10, 2010 12:02 PM
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Oh, please. Since when do we start making decisions about our spirituality based on what celebrities do or do not do? I don't know what's worse this ridiculous article or Anne Rice's "announcement" that she's quitting Christianity! I'm becoming Eastern Orthodox...when will the Post come to my door and interview me?
Posted by: sabsmessenger | August 10, 2010 1:18 PM
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To spidermean2:
On this count, you ARE correct. Certainly,
Christianity was already, by (in my estimation, anyway) 250AD, poisoned. Theodosius (389) merely completed what had already begun. Holy Mother Church conspired to and ultimately did hide from whence Her doctrines arose, who, after Jesus himself, further developed and unfolded them to us, and many other truths that only began unravelling in the 1700s. William Robertson Smith, Sir, William Jones, and Henry Rawilson eventually unfolded to us falsehoods, inaccuracies, and countless other truths which, had Christians possessed them earlier, could have saved untold misery of millions (the Jews included, whose doctrines, when read by light of Zohar, and whose scriptures, when accurately dated, tell us great things indeed). So, on that count, we agree. The Church's actions were knowing and deliberate. The Muslims, in fact, and their gift to us of returning many ancient scriptures held in trust in Arabic, likewise played a tremendous part in helping us to restore Christian doctrine, an enterprise which we have not yet begun to finish.
Posted by: ediptllc | August 10, 2010 1:58 PM
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I think 'woolrichwascool' has not understood Hinduism in the proper context or has unwittingly believed malicious propaganda.
The caste system was originally a division of labour; 'sati' originated in the wake of Mohemmaden invasions and both were contextual.
'Sati' does not exist anymore. In fact it is a crime under India’s present penal code either to indulge in or encourage its practice.
The ‘caste-system’ does exist but more as a part of Indian democratic practices to empower the weaker sections of society, similar to the ‘affirmative action’ practised in the United States.
The correspondent’s beliefs that Hindus ‘refused to kill rats because they are living creatures’ and that there is ‘real connection with Hinduism and poverty’ are as rational as believing in the image of India as a land of Sadhus and snake charmers!
It would be as correct as an Indian believing that ‘segregation laws’ still exist in the United States or that all African-Americans are destitute.
Posted by: unarayanadas1 | August 13, 2010 1:30 PM
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